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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 8:56:21 GMT -5
The point? You mean "my point". You opened that door for jsquare's commentary by using COVID as an excuse for the economic picture being poor at the end of Trump's term. All Presidents have to deal with external events that are unfortunate. How those events are handled say a lot about how worthy that person is to hold the job. Trying to give an evaluation of Trump by only considering the good stuff is simply not logical. Excuse? Governments didn't shut businesses and schools down while locking us in our rooms because they thought we had the sniffles. The fear being peddled (not the best word to use but I'll use it ) was palpable and lead to decisions that affected economies worldwide. I'm not sure you could understate a worldwide pandemic more than you just did here. You may not remember but we experienced "unprecedented times" that no one was quite sure how to manage. Who's giving an evaluation of Trump (except for you, square gap and a couple of others on here)? A lot of people here are bending over backwards to disqualify any positives that might have happened during the Trump administration. Worse than being illogical, it seems to be some sort of derangement. And just what were those Trump positives? Just today: Biden administration announces additional $7.7 billion in student debt relief |
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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 8:59:30 GMT -5
The point? You mean "my point". You opened that door for jsquare's commentary by using COVID as an excuse for the economic picture being poor at the end of Trump's term. All Presidents have to deal with external events that are unfortunate. How those events are handled say a lot about how worthy that person is to hold the job. Trying to give an evaluation of Trump by only considering the good stuff is simply not logical. Excuse? Governments didn't shut businesses and schools down while locking us in our rooms because they thought we had the sniffles. The fear being peddled (not the best word to use but I'll use it ) was palpable and lead to decisions that affected economies worldwide. I'm not sure you could understate a worldwide pandemic more than you just did here. You may not remember but we experienced "unprecedented times" that no one was quite sure how to manage. So you are saying that such a worldwide pandemic could have some long-lasting and stubborn effects, let's say on the economy, such as inflation? |
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Post by aardvark on May 23, 2024 9:08:43 GMT -5
Again I appreciate you sharing the information even if it was a repeat. I'm not that stuck on the word "airwaves" but the notion that the Republicans have a "virtual monopoly" with their messaging still seems dubious to me. They have maybe two or three stations on television that regurgitate their message while the rest seem to lean in the opposite direction. Not sure how many of the main demographic of Republicans are on interconnected websites, but it could be more than I think. Your attempt to make them seem like The First Order squashing the Rebel Alliance doesn't ring true. imo I remember the old days. You could turn on the TV and get ABC on one channel, CBS on another, and NBC on another. Nowadays, we have many more channels, but they are all packaged. They spread out the good stuff to try to lure you into paying a higher monthly fee. Many people can't afford to play that game and just use the basic package. If Faux is the only "news" option in their basic package, then that's what users will end up watching. Same situation if you go to a bar and the only TV for a "news" program is Faux. Or.... in my case, there are something like 8 TVs in my apartment complex's exercise room. When they're mostly on, we usually have two sports options, a Spanish language channel, a movie channel, a shopping channel, and one "news" channel. That one news channel isn't Faux, it's instead a more cut-rate version of Faux. Still, it's right wing. And I live in the very blue state of Maryland. To get your news from Faux instead of a real news channel is very mind-altering. I can't under-emphasize enough how much of an "Alice in Wonderland" feel it has to it. You can best see this by going online and comparing the displayed news for any one day of Faux and one of the MSM, like CNN or MSNBC. Pay close attention to how bad news for Republicans are dealt with. I often see the news displayed late on Faux, and when it is, inevitably they are asking some rightwing person for their reaction to the news instead of just stating the news. Life in the bubble. Anyway, you can see this echo chamber effect in the activity of Holiday. His thread postings here are often just repeats from the previous night's episode of Gutfeld! or somesuch. |
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Post by aardvark on May 23, 2024 9:23:48 GMT -5
Excuse? Governments didn't shut businesses and schools down while locking us in our rooms because they thought we had the sniffles. The fear being peddled (not the best word to use but I'll use it ) was palpable and lead to decisions that affected economies worldwide. I'm not sure you could understate a worldwide pandemic more than you just did here. You may not remember but we experienced "unprecedented times" that no one was quite sure how to manage. Who's giving an evaluation of Trump (except for you, square gap and a couple of others on here)? A lot of people here are bending over backwards to disqualify any positives that might have happened during the Trump administration. Worse than being illogical, it seems to be some sort of derangement. The fear was palpable because people were dying in numbers and the communicable disease and thus its proper treatment were not known. In that situation, shutting everything down to isolate the populace makes sense to save lives. Obviously, it needed to be temporary so science could catch up on how best to fight it. I was not trying to understate the gravity of COVID when it first hit. I was just pointing out that all Presidents have to deal with stuff like that. Trump didn't do a good job of it. Just as he always does, he made it all about him. Biden came in, cleaned up the mess, and also dealt with shocks from the Russia invasion of Ukraine and the Fed normalizing lending rates. Despite Holiday's triumphant talk of polls, Biden has been the far more effective of the two in his job. And then there's the abyss of Trump's moral character. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:39:45 GMT -5
Again I appreciate you sharing the information even if it was a repeat. I'm not that stuck on the word "airwaves" but the notion that the Republicans have a "virtual monopoly" with their messaging still seems dubious to me. They have maybe two or three stations on television that regurgitate their message while the rest seem to lean in the opposite direction. Not sure how many of the main demographic of Republicans are on interconnected websites, but it could be more than I think. Your attempt to make them seem like The First Order squashing the Rebel Alliance doesn't ring true. imo I remember the old days. You could turn on the TV and get ABC on one channel, CBS on another, and NBC on another. Nowadays, we have many more channels, but they are all packaged. They spread out the good stuff to try to lure you into paying a higher monthly fee. Many people can't afford to play that game and just use the basic package. If Faux is the only "news" option in their basic package, then that's what users will end up watching. Same situation if you go to a bar and the only TV for a "news" program is Faux. Or.... in my case, there are something like 8 TVs in my apartment complex's exercise room. When they're mostly on, we usually have two sports options, a Spanish language channel, a movie channel, a shopping channel, and one "news" channel. That one news channel isn't Faux, it's instead a more cut-rate version of Faux. Still, it's right wing. And I live in the very blue state of Maryland. To get your news from Faux instead of a real news channel is very mind-altering. I can't under-emphasize enough how much of an "Alice in Wonderland" feel it has to it. You can best see this by going online and comparing the displayed news for any one day of Faux and one of the MSM, like CNN or MSNBC. Pay close attention to how bad news for Republicans are dealt with. I often see the news displayed late on Faux, and when it is, inevitably they are asking some rightwing person for their reaction to the news instead of just stating the news. Life in the bubble. Anyway, you can see this echo chamber effect in the activity of Holiday. His thread postings here are often just repeats from the previous night's episode of Gutfeld! or somesuch. I am surprised that the viewing options in the part of Maryland where you live are so limited. Is there no way of changing the channels in your exercise room and is there no way to get a basic cable package that includes all of the big four Networks? Are you also suggesting that CNN and MSNBC don’t create an echo chamber of their own? |
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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 13:45:12 GMT -5
I remember the old days. You could turn on the TV and get ABC on one channel, CBS on another, and NBC on another. Nowadays, we have many more channels, but they are all packaged. They spread out the good stuff to try to lure you into paying a higher monthly fee. Many people can't afford to play that game and just use the basic package. If Faux is the only "news" option in their basic package, then that's what users will end up watching. Same situation if you go to a bar and the only TV for a "news" program is Faux. Or.... in my case, there are something like 8 TVs in my apartment complex's exercise room. When they're mostly on, we usually have two sports options, a Spanish language channel, a movie channel, a shopping channel, and one "news" channel. That one news channel isn't Faux, it's instead a more cut-rate version of Faux. Still, it's right wing. And I live in the very blue state of Maryland. To get your news from Faux instead of a real news channel is very mind-altering. I can't under-emphasize enough how much of an "Alice in Wonderland" feel it has to it. You can best see this by going online and comparing the displayed news for any one day of Faux and one of the MSM, like CNN or MSNBC. Pay close attention to how bad news for Republicans are dealt with. I often see the news displayed late on Faux, and when it is, inevitably they are asking some rightwing person for their reaction to the news instead of just stating the news. Life in the bubble. Anyway, you can see this echo chamber effect in the activity of Holiday. His thread postings here are often just repeats from the previous night's episode of Gutfeld! or somesuch. I am surprised that the viewing options in the part of Maryland where you live are so limited. Is there no way of changing the channels in your exercise room and is there no way to get a basic cable package that includes all of the big four Networks? Are you also suggesting that CNN and MSNBC don’t create an echo chamber of their own? Which network just paid close to a billion dollars for lying? You lose. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:45:51 GMT -5
Excuse? Governments didn't shut businesses and schools down while locking us in our rooms because they thought we had the sniffles. The fear being peddled (not the best word to use but I'll use it ) was palpable and lead to decisions that affected economies worldwide. I'm not sure you could understate a worldwide pandemic more than you just did here. You may not remember but we experienced "unprecedented times" that no one was quite sure how to manage. Who's giving an evaluation of Trump (except for you, square gap and a couple of others on here)? A lot of people here are bending over backwards to disqualify any positives that might have happened during the Trump administration. Worse than being illogical, it seems to be some sort of derangement. And then there's the abyss of Trump's moral character. Again, your critique lands on Trump as a person. A critique of his character is valid but shouldn’t be conflated with what he did as president. If moral character was the basis for evaluation, Jimmy Carter was, arguably, the best president ever. Hopefully we agree that wasn’t the case. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:49:20 GMT -5
I am surprised that the viewing options in the part of Maryland where you live are so limited. Is there no way of changing the channels in your exercise room and is there no way to get a basic cable package that includes all of the big four Networks? Are you also suggesting that CNN and MSNBC don’t create an echo chamber of their own? Which network just paid close to a billion dollars for lying? You lose. Your premature “spouting off” before thinking nullifies your self scoring. Fox paying a legal fee has nothing to do with CNN and MSNBC also creating an echo chamber for their viewers. Now go clean yourself up before you dribble all over yourself again. |
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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 13:53:11 GMT -5
Which network just paid close to a billion dollars for lying? You lose. Your premature “spouting off” before thinking nullifies your self scoring. Fox paying a legal fee has nothing to do with CNN and MSNBC also creating an echo chamber for their viewers. Now go clean yourself up before you dribble all over yourself again. That wasn't a legal fee. It was a settlement for lying. Get your facts straight. |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:56:35 GMT -5
Excuse? Governments didn't shut businesses and schools down while locking us in our rooms because they thought we had the sniffles. The fear being peddled (not the best word to use but I'll use it ) was palpable and lead to decisions that affected economies worldwide. I'm not sure you could understate a worldwide pandemic more than you just did here. You may not remember but we experienced "unprecedented times" that no one was quite sure how to manage. So you are saying that such a worldwide pandemic could have some long-lasting and stubborn effects, let's say on the economy, such as inflation?Not sure what you’re angling at, but I will reiterate my original point which was that you’re guy stated that inflation was 9% when he started when it was only 1.4%. He either misspoke (gravely), was lying (a definite possibility), or truly thought that to be the case (he was WOEFULLY wrong). You decided to shrug your shoulders, tightly close your eyes while sticking your fingers in your ears. But thanks for getting us back on track where the thread is concerned. 😉 |
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Post by mervinswerved on May 23, 2024 13:57:38 GMT -5
I'd like to see the basic cable package that includes Fox News and not CNN.
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:58:13 GMT -5
Your premature “spouting off” before thinking nullifies your self scoring. Fox paying a legal fee has nothing to do with CNN and MSNBC also creating an echo chamber for their viewers. Now go clean yourself up before you dribble all over yourself again. That wasn't a legal fee. It was a settlement for lying. Get your facts straight. Yep, I used the wrong nomenclature, sue me! 🤣😉 |
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on May 23, 2024 13:58:44 GMT -5
I'd like to see the basic cable package that includes Fox News and not CNN. Interested? 😉 |
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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 13:58:45 GMT -5
Not sure what you’re angling at, but I will reiterate my original point which was that you’re guy stated that inflation was 9% when he started when it was only 1.4%. He either misspoke (gravely), was lying (a definite possibility), or truly thought that to be the case (he was WOEFULLY wrong). You decided to shrug your shoulders, tightly close your eyes while sticking your fingers in your ears. But thanks for getting us back on track where the thread is concerned. 😉 oh please not this crap again. Wow how desperate can you get. |
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Post by jsquare on May 23, 2024 13:59:41 GMT -5
That wasn't a legal fee. It was a settlement for lying. Get your facts straight. Yep, I used the wrong nomenclature, sue me! 🤣😉 and you could settle that by paying close to a billion in "legal fees" |
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