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Post by jsquare on Jun 19, 2024 15:06:43 GMT -5
I'm not trying to align anyone or change anyone's political views. I just want them to be factual and not be gullible fools.
Baby Gap's justification for insults is a weird one. Why do you have such confidence that the US will survive Trump’s attacks?
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 19, 2024 16:34:43 GMT -5
I'm not trying to align anyone or change anyone's political views. I just want them to be factual and not be gullible fools.
Baby Gap's justification for insults is a weird one. Why do you have such confidence that the US will survive Trump’s attacks? Not sure what your question has to do with Gap's penchant for insults. I answered that question about a month ago, but I will oblige you. The short form: given everything that the US has experienced and endured in its history, a second Trump term doesn't strike me as being the Jenga piece that brings everything to the ground.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 19, 2024 17:56:40 GMT -5
I'm not trying to align anyone or change anyone's political views. I just want them to be factual and not be gullible fools.
Baby Gap's justification for insults is a weird one. Baby Gap respectfully disagrees.
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Post by vbman100 on Jun 19, 2024 18:18:48 GMT -5
What are you doing about it? You are criticizing him. You are already aware he's not a maga zealot. What do you expect your criticism to achieve? It's probably not going to move his political alignment closer to yours. I realize your frustration, but it's not good enough to just be right here. You have to be right *and* convince others of it. That's not going to happen if you're hitting your audience with a stick. I'm not trying to align anyone or change anyone's political views. I just want them to be factual and not be gullible fools. I tried to use facts and reason with HOLIDUMB and AmeriCanVT, before resulting to insults. I gave them non-partisan sources and primary sources of information, where they where they could truly "do their own research". As the case with anyone in this country who's tried to reason with right-wing news "junkies": it's pointless. The responses are always the same: too long/won't read it; deny facts/fake news; "both sides do it"; respond with insults, etc. I grew up in Trump country; have some MAGA family members, and live in an area that has a lot of Trump Humpers. I have A LOT of experience with these cultists. I've tried facts with these people for a decade or longer. They don't want facts: they want what makes them feel good (owning the Libs) and simple, black and white thinking. Most political issues are complicated and nuanced (border, immigration, taxes, the economy, health care, crime). These Simpletons think any problem can be solved simply: close the border, lock em up, get rid of the IRS/lower everyone's taxes, trickle down prosperity from "tHe jOb cReAtOrS", etc. I respect your desire to reach out to find common ground with people like AmericanVTDad, but it doesn't work. Unless someone in their family, son/daughter/spouse, gets them to shut off Fox News/conservative media--they're going to believe their former President who lies to them 50 times a day. Much of that is true. But think about this. 3 things many conservatives would use to indicate their president is doing well that are simple statistics are The Dow, unemployment rate, energy production. Of course other things like interest rates, gas prices, GDP, inflation are others but not usually used as frequently. How is the Dow, unemployment and energy/oil production with Biden? How was it with Obama? But of course, the response from conservatives now is “the Dow doesn’t matter, I don’t believe the unemployment rate, I don’t believe the oil production numbers. Groceries are high ( overlooking the price gouging and corporate greed behind that), gas prices are high (really they are about the same) interest rates are terrible (true).” So even when it is facts and black and white, when it is their president, facts matter, feelings don’t. When it is not their president, only feelings matter.
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Post by jsquare on Jun 19, 2024 20:10:35 GMT -5
Why do you have such confidence that the US will survive Trump’s attacks? Not sure what your question has to do with Gap's penchant for insults. I answered that question about a month ago, but I will oblige you. The short form: given everything that the US has experienced and endured in its history, a second Trump term doesn't strike me as being the Jenga piece that brings everything to the ground. Nothing that the US has experienced in her history has anything to do with what is currently going on. Remember head or tails has nothing to do with previous flips of a coin. Have you taken a look at Project 2025? I encourage you to watch the last episode of Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Trump tested the safeguards of our country over the last decade mostly because he is stupid. He is surrounding himself with some very dangerous people. Take his words and actions seriously.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 20, 2024 2:51:14 GMT -5
November 2023: Donald Trump claimed that Joan Rivers voted for him in 2016, despite the comedian having died two years earlier.
The former US president and recently convicted felon was interviewed by Variety editor Ramin Setoodeh last November for a new book about his time hosting The Apprentice , Apprentice in Wonderland: How Donald Trump and Mark Burnett Took America Through the Looking Glass, which is set to be published on June 18.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 20, 2024 3:37:48 GMT -5
Trump's Milwaukee comments, June 2024. Donald Trump calls Milwaukee a horrible city, like he does most, if not all, U.S. cities. He gets criticism for it, tries to clarify that he "loves Milwaukee" :it's just overrun with crime and voter fraud 🙄.
Ps, Trump "loves" Milwaukee so much he was planning on staying in Chicago and commuting 92 miles each way during the convention instead of staying in Milwaukee, until the press called him out on it.
Trump decides he'll just deny he said anything bad about Milwaukee at all and the whole thing was made up.
During an interview on Newsmax Saturday, June 15, Trump insisted that he’d never said anything bad about Milwaukee at all. “They make up a story that I said something bad about Milwaukee, and I just ask you this, who would do that? Who would say something bad about a place that you want to win, you want to win over?” Trump demanded.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 20, 2024 9:36:08 GMT -5
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 20, 2024 9:47:22 GMT -5
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Post by mikegarrison on Jun 20, 2024 10:41:10 GMT -5
interest rates are terrible (true).” Interest rates are high compared to what they were 10 years ago, sure. But not compared to what they were 20 years ago, or 30 years ago. Interest rates today are about the same as they were when I bought my house about 25 years ago.
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Post by aardvark on Jun 20, 2024 10:49:00 GMT -5
Interests rates were absurdly low ten years ago because the Fed chose a policy of free money. This was not sustainable.
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Post by T Gap on Jun 20, 2024 23:13:25 GMT -5
Donald Trump, June 2024:
"Religion is such a great thing it's so it keeps you know there's something to be good about you want to be good; you wanna it's so important I don't know if it's explained right I don't know if I'm explaining it right you know you want to be good you want to go to heaven OK so you want to go to heaven so if we don't have heaven OK you almost say what's what's the reason why do I have to be good what difference does it make"
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Post by aardvark on Jun 21, 2024 5:12:05 GMT -5
Huh?
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Post by oldnewbie on Jun 21, 2024 11:57:51 GMT -5
And here is one of the chief attackers of Biden and defenders of Trump in the dementia wars. With no sense of irony whatsoever, Hannity makes a gaff and says "I sound just like Biden".
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Post by AmeriCanVBfan on Jun 21, 2024 12:10:05 GMT -5
And here is one of the chief attackers of Biden and defenders of Trump in the dementia wars. With no sense of irony whatsoever, Hannity makes a gaff and says "I sound just like Biden". Acyn’s comment is silly. Hannity didn’t think Kudlow was a house. Meant to say “host” and “house” came out. 🙄
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