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Post by mnbadger on Apr 14, 2024 13:15:50 GMT -5
I love my Badgers, but I think we're going to have growing pains, regardless of how we set up the offense. We'll take a couple of tough losses, but I don't think we'll take any WTF losses. Franklin and Smrek emerging as more consistent OOS bangers last season makes me more confident in the setter change than two seasons ago. I will be pleasantly surprised, but not shocked, if WI wins the B1G.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Apr 14, 2024 13:22:45 GMT -5
Don’t we already have a big 10 thread for next year Do you expect order on VolleyTalk? 😜
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Post by knapplc on Apr 14, 2024 13:40:19 GMT -5
The conference winner will start with a P. I’ve seen it in the flames. You’ve heard it here first. Pohio State?
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Post by knapplc on Apr 14, 2024 13:45:02 GMT -5
2. Nebraska - bring back nearly all of their starters and bring in some great transfers, but I have concerns with 1) ego and 2) Cook getting in his own way. Nebraska looked rough during the second half of Big 10 play this year, and a lot of teams are making upgrades this year. Nebraska had one loss in the 2nd half of the Big Ten season, same as Wisconsin. And Nebraska went deeper into the tournament than Wisconsin. You're not wrong that these are the top two teams. But the explanation is flawed logic.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 14, 2024 13:53:55 GMT -5
2. Nebraska - bring back nearly all of their starters and bring in some great transfers, but I have concerns with 1) ego and 2) Cook getting in his own way. Nebraska looked rough during the second half of Big 10 play this year, and a lot of teams are making upgrades this year. Nebraska had one loss in the 2nd half of the Big Ten season, same as Wisconsin. And Nebraska went deeper into the tournament than Wisconsin.
You're not wrong that these are the top two teams. But the explanation is flawed logic. This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final.
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 14, 2024 13:59:03 GMT -5
Nebraska had one loss in the 2nd half of the Big Ten season, same as Wisconsin. And Nebraska went deeper into the tournament than Wisconsin.
You're not wrong that these are the top two teams. But the explanation is flawed logic. This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad.
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Post by bbg95 on Apr 14, 2024 14:02:09 GMT -5
This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad. Sure, I don't really agree with that specific argument about Nebraska. There are plenty of reasonable arguments for both teams.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Apr 14, 2024 14:05:23 GMT -5
anything other than a 5-1 for Wisconsin seems stupid idk. they’ve come up short with this 6-2 both years even with all the talent. they don’t set Crawford anyways so is it that big of a deal if she’s benched? she had more nets than kills in the tournament last season lol Franklin/Orzol Devyn/Booth Charlie/Smrek (DS) GG is an elite lineup. Devyn can hit right side like tealer. Orzol won’t need to be a big part of the offense. Smrek and Devyn can hit OOS balls Yeah, people are talking about Wisconsin losing both setters as a negative, and I'm sitting here like . . . .
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Post by knapplc on Apr 14, 2024 14:27:37 GMT -5
Nebraska had one loss in the 2nd half of the Big Ten season, same as Wisconsin. And Nebraska went deeper into the tournament than Wisconsin.
You're not wrong that these are the top two teams. But the explanation is flawed logic. This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad. Sorry I wasn't more clear. That was kind of the point. "Nebraska looked bad in the second half of the Big Ten" when they had the same record in the second half of the B1G isn't much of an argument.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Apr 14, 2024 14:33:40 GMT -5
This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad. Again, it’s my (apparently “flawed”) opinion, but I don’t think questioning the roster management and coaching micromanagement is an overtly flawed way of assessing a team’s abilities. When people talk about Wisconsin, they’ll question how they’ll handle the depth of the middle/opposite and how one of CC/Smrek/Robinson/Booth will react to being benched. Nebraska has 5 stud pin-hitters, and unless they run a 6-2, at least 2 will be on the bench. Everyone will always say that they’re up for competing for a spot, but in their heads, the spot is already their’s (just based on human nature). How will the benched athletes react to being benched and how will the starters react to being pulled is a valid question when a roster’s that deep. Cook earned coach of the year last year - he took a team with four freshman to a National championship match with only one in-season loss. However, just based on watching Nebraska the last few years, I do have questions about his roster management style and his micromanagement of the his athletes - especially with his setters. At multiple post-match press conferences, he’s call out Reilly for “not following the gameplam (aka his Batenhorst agenda), and the decline of Kennedi Orr isn’t something that just happens with a knee injury. Nebraska will be many people’s preseason pick to take the Big 10 title, but they’re not my pick.
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Post by badgerbyproxy on Apr 14, 2024 14:44:49 GMT -5
This is a bit disingenuous. They both lost to the same team. The only reason Nebraska went further than Wisconsin was because of where Texas was in the bracket. And Wisconsin was more competitive against Texas in the semifinal than Nebraska was against Texas in the final. I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad. Sorry I wasn't more clear. That was kind of the point. "Nebraska looked bad in the second half of the Big Ten" when they had the same record in the second half of the B1G isn't much of an argument. Record doesn’t indicate level of play or quality of opponent, but go off I guess.
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Post by babyhusker on Apr 14, 2024 14:47:04 GMT -5
I agree. The same way I think the justification given for WI > NE is bad (essentially: too much talent on the team and negative opinion of Cook), saying Nebraska got one round further than Wisconsin in the tournament is also bad. Again, it’s my (apparently “flawed”) opinion, but I don’t think questioning the roster management and coaching micromanagement is an overtly flawed way of assessing a team’s abilities. When people talk about Wisconsin, they’ll question how they’ll handle the depth of the middle/opposite and how one of CC/Smrek/Robinson/Booth will react to being benched. Nebraska has 5 stud pin-hitters, and unless they run a 6-2, at least 2 will be on the bench. Everyone will always say that they’re up for competing for a spot, but in their heads, the spot is already their’s (just based on human nature). How will the benched athletes react to being benched and how will the starters react to being pulled is a valid question when a roster’s that deep. Cool earned coach of the year last year - he took a team with four freshman to a National championship match with only one in-season loss. However, just based on watching Nebraska the last few years, I do have questions about his roster management style and his micromanagement of the his athletes - especially with his setters. At multiple post-match press conferences, he’s call out Reilly for “not following the gameplam (aka his Batenhorst agenda), and the decline of Kennedi Orr isn’t something that just happens with a knee injury. Nebraska will be many people’s preseason pick to take the Big 10 title, but they’re not my pick. I agree with you in many ways with concerns about the culture and with roster management at NE. I think the issue is with that as a standalone argument as to why a team is below another. Even with said culture issues and Cook’s questionable decision making (I was extremely disappointed by some of his choices throughout the season), they got to the natty. They have fewer question marks than a team like Wisconsin, which had issues of its own last season. Wisconsin brings with them many of the problems they had last year. Of course, there’s room for improvement. There always is. Same on the NE side. It just seems that if the problems on one side are as ambiguous as roster management, coaching, and ego, that should indicate fewer tangible chinks in the armor than a team which lost their captains, struggled in passing, might be changing their system, and has a group of unproven setters. Of course, NE’s natty performance indicated some pretty substantial chinks in their armor, as it were. This rivalry will be a big storyline this season and it can’t get here fast enough.
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Post by ladyfan on Apr 14, 2024 15:02:58 GMT -5
I’m surprised there’s conversation about what Wisconsin will do with their extra hitters and none about what Wisconsin will do if their freshman setter rolls an ankle, takes out a knee, or has the flu in the second week of December. Is there depth behind her?
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Post by jwvolley on Apr 14, 2024 15:04:51 GMT -5
I’m surprised there’s conversation about what Wisconsin will do with their extra hitters and none about what Wisconsin will do if their freshman setter rolls an ankle, takes out a knee, or has the flu in the second week of December. Is there depth behind her? They have a solid transfer setter as backup.
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Post by exit237a on Apr 14, 2024 15:10:45 GMT -5
Minnesota to Washington mainly built I’ll take them all if you feel like it 💀 (*1-18 picks trimmed for scrolling ease)
Thanks for the full rundown, badgerbyproxy!
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