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Post by volleyguy on May 3, 2024 19:03:32 GMT -5
I understand Holiday's tactics, because I've seen his methods before in other people. Constantly shifting the conversation, relying on volume to overwhelm. Throw 100 things at the wall. I tend to navigate around that by continually referring back to a previous point asking for depth. Currently, I keep repeating the request for him to say why those 51 guys were lying. It was after all, something he brought up on his own. I think most people believe their side is right. Intelligent conservatives tend to get swept up in the information flood and never check on key elements of their fantasy world. Once you get them to start questioning pieces of it, the whole illusion can fall apart. Others know what they're doing. I'm not sure if Holiday is one or not. Either way, patiently pushing to depth while shrugging off attempts to add emotion is the best way to have a constructive conversation. Once the insults start, thinking has no chance. Knock yourself out, aardvark.
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Post by longboards on May 3, 2024 20:00:32 GMT -5
I treat them well and you don't have civil conversations with me... That’s good because most do not. The point is you people don’t like anyone with an opinion that is not your own. Your child like about it. I like many people who have opposing political views. They also happen to be honest and truthful people. 🤔
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 3, 2024 21:27:15 GMT -5
That’s good because most do not. The point is you people don’t like anyone with an opinion that is not your own. Your child like about it. I like many people who have opposing political views. They also happen to be honest and truthful people. 🤔 Sure you do
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Post by jsquare on May 3, 2024 21:31:07 GMT -5
I judge your "reality check"..... absolutely TRUE!!!! For any others reading, workers in the entertainment industry, academics, and online computers services also skew very liberal, while mining and agriculture go the opposite way. Does anyone find that surprising? They shouldn't. Anyway, I've heard this statistic before. I have plenty of conservative friends who were in a big rush to trot it out when it first came out. The trick is that this refers to the workers, not management or owners. Who chooses stories? The editors do. Who chooses the overall path of the media outlet? Owners do. That should also be a surprise to nobody. So your reality check doesn't have a lot of significance because it's measuring the wrong thing. Now back to those 51 former intel guys. When are you going to support your statement that they were lying?The answer to that question is NEVER. NEVER NEVER
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Post by jsquare on May 3, 2024 21:31:39 GMT -5
I like many people who have opposing political views. They also happen to be honest and truthful people. 🤔 Sure you do you aren't a honest person.
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Post by aardvark on May 4, 2024 5:43:52 GMT -5
You're backsliding again, jsquare. Calling Holiday a dishonest person accomplishes nothing positive. It's just name calling. He's going to bunker down because he's being attacked. Or lash out.
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Post by jsquare on May 4, 2024 5:50:09 GMT -5
You're backsliding again, jsquare. Calling Holiday a dishonest person accomplishes nothing positive. It's just name calling. He's going to bunker down because he's being attacked. Or lash out. Holiday is an intentional bald faced liar. There’s a ten plus page thread proving that. But I do appreciate your spirit.
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Post by aardvark on May 4, 2024 6:47:50 GMT -5
Holiday is peddling stuff he gets from rightwing sources. Sometimes TV, but probably more frequently websites. These sources are a fire hose of misinformation. There is no time to assess the validity. Readers assume truth and go forth into other lands armed with what they think they know. Holiday apparently lives in rural Nebraska, which many might envision as not being a particularly busy lifestyle. However, he's clearly internet connected and fills up his time with those pursuits. If he's busy reacting to and posting thousands of little posts, how does he have time to judge the worthiness of what he is passing on? You are presuming the worst of him, and it is illogical. People by their nature believe they are the good guys. I doubt Holiday views himself as a bad guy. He thinks you are, and you're doing a great job confirming it by your hostility. Over your history with him you've both built up enough animosity that it will be hard for the two of you to work up a decent discussion. There's just too much ill will.
Your postings are too angry to win people over to your side. If your goal is to stop Trump, how are you advancing it? Your postings just feel like road rage. I suggest a tactical retreat. Stop posting and just observe. If Holiday won't come to the table when the environment is peaceful, then you can (privately I hope) exult that your suspicions about him were correct. And if you end up being wrong, then maybe you've learned something?
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 4, 2024 7:23:52 GMT -5
Holiday is peddling stuff he gets from rightwing sources. Sometimes TV, but probably more frequently websites. These sources are a fire hose of misinformation. There is no time to assess the validity. Readers assume truth and go forth into other lands armed with what they think they know. Holiday apparently lives in rural Nebraska, which many might envision as not being a particularly busy lifestyle. However, he's clearly internet connected and fills up his time with those pursuits. If he's busy reacting to and posting thousands of little posts, how does he have time to judge the worthiness of what he is passing on? You are presuming the worst of him, and it is illogical. People by their nature believe they are the good guys. I doubt Holiday views himself as a bad guy. He thinks you are, and you're doing a great job confirming it by your hostility. Over your history with him you've both built up enough animosity that it will be hard for the two of you to work up a decent discussion. There's just too much ill will. Your postings are too angry to win people over to your side. If your goal is to stop Trump, how are you advancing it? Your postings just feel like road rage. I suggest a tactical retreat. Stop posting and just observe. If Holiday won't come to the table when the environment is peaceful, then you can (privately I hope) exult that your suspicions about him were correct. And if you end up being wrong, then maybe you've learned something? Your last paragraph could not be more true. But you forgot one thing. Moody/J squared or whatever the hell his name is ….is a political moron.
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Post by longboards on May 4, 2024 8:01:27 GMT -5
Holiday is peddling stuff he gets from rightwing sources. Sometimes TV, but probably more frequently websites. These sources are a fire hose of misinformation. There is no time to assess the validity. Readers assume truth and go forth into other lands armed with what they think they know. Holiday apparently lives in rural Nebraska, which many might envision as not being a particularly busy lifestyle. However, he's clearly internet connected and fills up his time with those pursuits. If he's busy reacting to and posting thousands of little posts, how does he have time to judge the worthiness of what he is passing on? You are presuming the worst of him, and it is illogical. People by their nature believe they are the good guys. I doubt Holiday views himself as a bad guy. He thinks you are, and you're doing a great job confirming it by your hostility. Over your history with him you've both built up enough animosity that it will be hard for the two of you to work up a decent discussion. There's just too much ill will. Your postings are too angry to win people over to your side. If your goal is to stop Trump, how are you advancing it? Your postings just feel like road rage. I suggest a tactical retreat. Stop posting and just observe. If Holiday won't come to the table when the environment is peaceful, then you can (privately I hope) exult that your suspicions about him were correct. And if you end up being wrong, then maybe you've learned something? No suspicions about holiday lying multiple times. It's been proven with irrefutable evidence.
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Post by aardvark on May 4, 2024 8:46:01 GMT -5
Holiday is peddling stuff he gets from rightwing sources. Sometimes TV, but probably more frequently websites. These sources are a fire hose of misinformation. There is no time to assess the validity. Readers assume truth and go forth into other lands armed with what they think they know. Holiday apparently lives in rural Nebraska, which many might envision as not being a particularly busy lifestyle. However, he's clearly internet connected and fills up his time with those pursuits. If he's busy reacting to and posting thousands of little posts, how does he have time to judge the worthiness of what he is passing on? You are presuming the worst of him, and it is illogical. People by their nature believe they are the good guys. I doubt Holiday views himself as a bad guy. He thinks you are, and you're doing a great job confirming it by your hostility. Over your history with him you've both built up enough animosity that it will be hard for the two of you to work up a decent discussion. There's just too much ill will. Your postings are too angry to win people over to your side. If your goal is to stop Trump, how are you advancing it? Your postings just feel like road rage. I suggest a tactical retreat. Stop posting and just observe. If Holiday won't come to the table when the environment is peaceful, then you can (privately I hope) exult that your suspicions about him were correct. And if you end up being wrong, then maybe you've learned something? Your last paragraph could not be more true. But you forgot one thing. Moody/J squared or whatever the hell his name is ….is a political moron. A one-liner with an insult towards jsquare. You're doing the same stuff he's doing, except on the other side. Thus my statement about productivity in furtherance of one's cause also applies to you. Think about it, hopefully while you're working on that response about the 51 former intel guys.
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Post by aardvark on May 4, 2024 8:58:50 GMT -5
No suspicions about holiday lying multiple times. It's been proven with irrefutable evidence. If he's just copy/pasting his statements from untruthful rightwing websites like a loyal foot-soldier, then who is the real liar? Him? Or them? This network is often called an echo chamber because once news gets on it, it gets repeated across all of the websites. This reinforces/amplifies the message because a reader on multiple such websites sees that they're all saying it, so it must be true. Rightness through sheer numbers. They don't bother to question what they see. That takes too much time. They just barely have enough time to confidently share the news in all the other places they frequent. False news is often quite exciting. It verifies exactly what they already thought!
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 4, 2024 10:07:59 GMT -5
Holiday is peddling stuff he gets from rightwing sources. Sometimes TV, but probably more frequently websites. These sources are a fire hose of misinformation. There is no time to assess the validity. Readers assume truth and go forth into other lands armed with what they think they know. Holiday apparently lives in rural Nebraska, which many might envision as not being a particularly busy lifestyle. However, he's clearly internet connected and fills up his time with those pursuits. If he's busy reacting to and posting thousands of little posts, how does he have time to judge the worthiness of what he is passing on? You are presuming the worst of him, and it is illogical. People by their nature believe they are the good guys. I doubt Holiday views himself as a bad guy. He thinks you are, and you're doing a great job confirming it by your hostility. Over your history with him you've both built up enough animosity that it will be hard for the two of you to work up a decent discussion. There's just too much ill will. Your postings are too angry to win people over to your side. If your goal is to stop Trump, how are you advancing it? Your postings just feel like road rage. I suggest a tactical retreat. Stop posting and just observe. If Holiday won't come to the table when the environment is peaceful, then you can (privately I hope) exult that your suspicions about him were correct. And if you end up being wrong, then maybe you've learned something? No suspicions about holiday lying multiple times. It's been proven with irrefutable evidence. Lol, speaking of another political idiot.
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Post by HOLIDAY on May 4, 2024 10:09:38 GMT -5
No suspicions about holiday lying multiple times. It's been proven with irrefutable evidence. If he's just copy/pasting his statements from untruthful rightwing websites like a loyal foot-soldier, then who is the real liar? Him? Or them? This network is often called an echo chamber because once news gets on it, it gets repeated across all of the websites. This reinforces/amplifies the message because a reader on multiple such websites sees that they're all saying it, so it must be true. Rightness through sheer numbers. They don't bother to question what they see. That takes too much time. They just barely have enough time to confidently share the news in all the other places they frequent. False news is often quite exciting. It verifies exactly what they already thought! So you are telling me every time you post something from the New York Times the Washington Post, CNN or MSNBC that is also left-wing propaganda? Or should maybe you explore and investigate for yourself and figure it out. You’re as brainwashed as they are.
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Post by longboards on May 4, 2024 10:12:04 GMT -5
No suspicions about holiday lying multiple times. It's been proven with irrefutable evidence. If he's just copy/pasting his statements from untruthful rightwing websites like a loyal foot-soldier, then who is the real liar? Him? Or them? This network is often called an echo chamber because once news gets on it, it gets repeated across all of the websites. This reinforces/amplifies the message because a reader on multiple such websites sees that they're all saying it, so it must be true. Rightness through sheer numbers. They don't bother to question what they see. That takes too much time. They just barely have enough time to confidently share the news in all the other places they frequent. False news is often quite exciting. It verifies exactly what they already thought! Put aside the political copy and paste and he's still been caught lying about mundane things like whether or not he locks his doors.
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