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Post by volleyguy on Jul 22, 2024 22:02:46 GMT -5
Simple full time enrollment is referred to as headcount, i.e. the total number of individual students enrolled regardless of the number of units/classes. You have no clue what you're talking about. Full-time means 12+ credits in a semester. Otherwise you're part-time. You’re really ignorant and have obviously never worked with institutional data.
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Post by n00b on Jul 22, 2024 22:25:56 GMT -5
For reference, the average FBS football roster size was 128.2 in 2023 (FCS was 113.3) The average D1 baseball roster was 39.7. I've seen some numbers in mens soccer talking about limits being 18-22. Seems steep but there are going to be men's athletes dropping down or dropping out in a lot of sports...maybe a growth in college club in some sports? We'll see. That seems like a crazy number for soccer. The football and baseball numbers were 80-85% of current roster averages. That would put men's soccer at like 26. But I guess we'll see.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 22, 2024 22:29:09 GMT -5
I've seen some numbers in mens soccer talking about limits being 18-22. Seems steep but there are going to be men's athletes dropping down or dropping out in a lot of sports...maybe a growth in college club in some sports? We'll see. That seems like a crazy number for soccer. The football and baseball numbers were 80-85% of current roster averages. That would put men's soccer at like 26. But I guess we'll see. Is it surprising that other men's sports would be sacrificed for football?
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Post by n00b on Jul 22, 2024 22:40:21 GMT -5
That seems like a crazy number for soccer. The football and baseball numbers were 80-85% of current roster averages. That would put men's soccer at like 26. But I guess we'll see. Is it surprising that other men's sports would be sacrificed for football? Most Power 4 schools don't even have men's soccer. I don't see why they'd care enough to piss athletes off by making way bigger cuts than other sports. That's a big part of this re-structuring process. Don't make anybody mad enough to sue.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Jul 22, 2024 22:42:49 GMT -5
Is it surprising that other men's sports would be sacrificed for football? Most Power 4 schools don't even have men's soccer. I don't see why they'd care enough to piss athletes off by making way bigger cuts than other sports. That's a big part of this re-structuring process. Don't make anybody mad enough to sue. And what would the men's soccer players' claim be? It's true that you can sue anybody for anything, but that doesn't mean you'll stay in court.
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Post by n00b on Jul 22, 2024 22:43:01 GMT -5
This makes more sense and in line with what we're hearing about football and baseball.
Edit to add, this just came up from searching Twitter. I have NO CLUE if this is a reliable source. But they do have nearly 50k followers.
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Post by n00b on Jul 22, 2024 22:48:21 GMT -5
Also notable from that Tweet is the women's soccer roster number is lower than the current average D1 roster as well (by only 5-10% though). If that's a signal, volleyball rosters might get set at something like 16.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2024 22:58:12 GMT -5
Also notable from that Tweet is the women's soccer roster number is lower than the current average D1 roster as well (by only 5-10% though). If that's a signal, volleyball rosters might get set at something like 16. VB cap will be 18.
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Post by kashi on Jul 22, 2024 23:29:53 GMT -5
Would 18 be the max # of players on the roster or max # of scholarships?
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 23, 2024 8:25:37 GMT -5
Would 18 be the max # of players on the roster or max # of scholarships? There won't be a max scholarship number anymore, at least in DI. The school can give each roster spot a full scholarship. That doesn't mean they'll choose to do so. Also conferences might choose to impose limits lower than the roster size, there have been such things in some sports in the past, but I don't know if the change in rules will prevent that going forward.
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 23, 2024 8:27:43 GMT -5
never worked with institutional data. onestop.umn.edu/academics/full-time-creditsFTE might be a valid definition in other context (eg. accounting), but that's not what's shown on the EADA database. They're using total headcount of undergraduate full-time (ie. the link I gave above, for the U of Minn) students.
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 23, 2024 8:29:29 GMT -5
Is it surprising that other men's sports would be sacrificed for football? Most Power 4 schools don't even have men's soccer. I don't see why they'd care enough to piss athletes off by making way bigger cuts than other sports. That's a big part of this re-structuring process. Don't make anybody mad enough to sue. Why were men's soccer rosters so big? Do you need a starter and three back-ups at all 11 positions?
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 23, 2024 8:32:47 GMT -5
never worked with institutional data. onestop.umn.edu/academics/full-time-creditsFTE might be a valid definition in other context (eg. accounting), but that's not what's shown on the EADA database. They're using total headcount of undergraduate full-time (ie. the link I gave above, for the U of Minn) students. The point is, not all do. (And I’m not sure that’s actually the case here, but it doesn’t matter). That link is simply a definition of full time status, not an indicator of their FTE vs head count.
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Post by mplsgopher on Jul 23, 2024 8:34:09 GMT -5
The point is, not all do. Of course they do. Headcount of full-time undergraduates is what's required to be reported.
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 23, 2024 8:40:43 GMT -5
The point is, not all do. Of course they do. Headcount of full-time undergraduates is what's required to be reported. The report requires (and defines) head count of participants (team members/athletes). The institutional data is less defined. Have you ever been involved in filing one of these reports?
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