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Post by dodger on Nov 2, 2024 16:10:42 GMT -5
No lobbying is going to persuade the Power 4 schools to pull Money away from football. Thats not what the lobbying firm is doing! This isn’t about pull money for football; its an attempt to save all the other sports by getting legislation which makes college sports to be exempt from the present anti-trust laws that the ncaa was sued under!! |
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Post by tactical on Nov 2, 2024 16:16:25 GMT -5
Sports are extracurricular - ancillary and supplementary to the academic mission. You cannot have a kid who wants to study engineering drafted by a school that doesn't have engineering (feel free to submit any major for engineering). This kernel of logic actually works against you more than for you. There is no such thing as a "right" to play college sports. Nope. You want to go study engineer? Great. Go study engineering. Indeed, that is what you should do as a first priority. Sports is just ancillary and supplemental to that. If you want to play major, then you'll have to sacrifice that. Exactly the same as those who get drafted by the MLB or NHL do when they enter into the minor professional league feeder systems. They don't even go to school at all!
"But ... I want to play major sports AND study engineering! I have that right!" Nope. No you don't. There is no such thing.
NHL prospects regularly complete their education in NCAA programs before joining their drafting team's feeder system. The teams simply maintain the player's signing rights so that they can only sign with them when they choose to go pro. |
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Post by mplsgopher on Nov 8, 2024 12:27:22 GMT -5
This kernel of logic actually works against you more than for you. There is no such thing as a "right" to play college sports. Nope. You want to go study engineer? Great. Go study engineering. Indeed, that is what you should do as a first priority. Sports is just ancillary and supplemental to that. If you want to play major, then you'll have to sacrifice that. Exactly the same as those who get drafted by the MLB or NHL do when they enter into the minor professional league feeder systems. They don't even go to school at all!
"But ... I want to play major sports AND study engineering! I have that right!" Nope. No you don't. There is no such thing.
NHL prospects regularly complete their education in NCAA programs before joining their drafting team's feeder system. The teams simply maintain the player's signing rights so that they can only sign with them when they choose to go pro. That sounds like a fine system.
There is no "right" to such a thing, which was my main, actual point.
Nor is it in any way a counter-point to the concept of having a major college sports draft. A pro system of maintaining the signing rights while the player finishes college, could still be maintained.
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Post by dodger on Nov 8, 2024 17:52:27 GMT -5
NHL prospects regularly complete their education in NCAA programs before joining their drafting team's feeder system. The teams simply maintain the player's signing rights so that they can only sign with them when they choose to go pro. That sounds like a fine system.
There is no "right" to such a thing, which was my main, actual point.
Nor is it in any way a counter-point to the concept of having a major college sports draft. A pro system of maintaining the signing rights while the player finishes college, could still be maintained.
If you have a major you wish to pursue: and you have a scholarship to the school that offers you a scholarship and you attend said school: then you do have the “right” to be an engineering major! Not an easy combo but have seen as tough a major and be on scholarship! The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 8, 2024 18:30:59 GMT -5
The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! Not necessarily. Some universities require undergrads to be accepted to certain degree programs. Like, you may be a student at the university but you may still need to get accepted by the College of Engineering before you can major in Engineering. |
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Post by mervinswerved on Nov 8, 2024 18:39:43 GMT -5
The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! Not necessarily. Some universities require undergrads to be accepted to certain degree programs. Like, you may be a student at the university but you may still need to get accepted by the College of Engineering before you can major in Engineering. At one place I coached, we had a very restrictive time slot for practice. We practiced early morning fall and spring. That directly conflicted with mandatory clinicals all sophomore and junior nursing students were required to take. There was no way to play volleyball and be a nursing student at that university. We were very upfront during the recruiting process that if kids wanted to study nursing as a major, they would need to look somewhere else. |
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Post by Not Me on Nov 8, 2024 20:04:28 GMT -5
No lobbying is going to persuade the Power 4 schools to pull Money away from football. Thats not what the lobbying firm is doing! This isn’t about pull money for football; its an attempt to save all the other sports by getting legislation which makes college sports to be exempt from the present anti-trust laws that the ncaa was sued under!! Well they can save their money. Because the Republicans are going to give the colleges what they want. Ted Cruz has already said one of his goals is to pass anti trust laws. And there will be a new head of the NLRB as well. Some are predicting that title 9 will be repealed as well, but I don’t know about that doomsday scenario. |
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Post by dodger on Nov 8, 2024 20:46:07 GMT -5
Thats not what the lobbying firm is doing! This isn’t about pull money for football; its an attempt to save all the other sports by getting legislation which makes college sports to be exempt from the present anti-trust laws that the ncaa was sued under!! Well they can save their money. Because the Republicans are going to give the colleges what they want. Ted Cruz has already said one of his goals is to pass anti trust laws. And there will be a new head of the NLRB as well. Some are predicting that title 9 will be repealed as well, but I don’t know about that doomsday scenario. Interesting: chhange anti trust laws protect college and pro sports: and repeal title IX : predict now if repeal title IX Rep’s loose big in midterms!!! Trump quote “i will protect all women”! |
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 9, 2024 10:55:13 GMT -5
That sounds like a fine system. There is no "right" to such a thing, which was my main, actual point. Nor is it in any way a counter-point to the concept of having a major college sports draft. A pro system of maintaining the signing rights while the player finishes college, could still be maintained.
If you have a major you wish to pursue: and you have a scholarship to the school that offers you a scholarship and you attend said school: then you do have the “right” to be an engineering major! Not an easy combo but have seen as tough a major and be on scholarship! The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! I'm not sure what the NCAA rules or department policies say, but there are coaches who, in effect, veto athletes classes all of the time. That major is too hard. That class cuts into weights/video/practice/recovery time. That's too many credit's - I don't want you to be too tired to play well. You aren't taking classes on that other campus before practice. We like this professor instead. You'll have to take that over the summer. That course involves tools/knives - you can't take that in season. You cannot study abroad until you finish your eligibility. and "If I'm giving you a scholarship, you take the classes I tell you to!" And FWIW, I also know an athlete who failed a class at a smaller D1 because Lab was on Friday afternoon and she was on the road every other week. Coach said "don't take that class" and "the player said I need it to graduate." She failed it and had to transfer to a school with more sections of science labs. You may think student-athletes should have rights, but a lot of coaches actively disagree. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Nov 9, 2024 10:58:58 GMT -5
If you have a major you wish to pursue: and you have a scholarship to the school that offers you a scholarship and you attend said school: then you do have the “right” to be an engineering major! Not an easy combo but have seen as tough a major and be on scholarship! The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! I'm not sure what the NCAA rules or department policies say, but there are coaches who, in effect, veto athletes classes all of the time. That major is too hard. That class cuts into weights/video/practice/recovery time. That's too many credit's - I don't want you to be too tired to play well. You aren't taking classes on that other campus before practice. We like this professor instead. You'll have to take that over the summer. That course involves tools/knives - you can't take that in season. You cannot study abroad until you finish your eligibility. and "If I'm giving you a scholarship, you take the classes I tell you to!" And FWIW, I also know an athlete who failed a class at a smaller D1 because Lab was on Friday afternoon and she was on the road every other week. Coach said "don't take that class" and "the player said I need it to graduate." She failed it and had to transfer to a school with more sections of science labs. You may think student-athletes should have rights, but a lot of coaches actively disagree. Of course, at a D3 school? Student tells the coach, "OK, well, I quit the team." Solves that problem. |
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Post by dodger on Nov 9, 2024 11:11:25 GMT -5
The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! Not necessarily. Some universities require undergrads to be accepted to certain degree programs. Like, you may be a student at the university but you may still need to get accepted by the College of Engineering before you can major in Engineering. Of course thus is true: goes without saying: but i was presuming in my post , you applied and were accepted into university and college, signed your NLI and are attending: and once there, enroll in classes for your major. |
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Post by dodger on Nov 9, 2024 11:18:40 GMT -5
If you have a major you wish to pursue: and you have a scholarship to the school that offers you a scholarship and you attend said school: then you do have the “right” to be an engineering major! Not an easy combo but have seen as tough a major and be on scholarship! The student who is on scholarship has the right to be any major they choose! I'm not sure what the NCAA rules or department policies say, but there are coaches who, in effect, veto athletes classes all of the time. That major is too hard. That class cuts into weights/video/practice/recovery time. That's too many credit's - I don't want you to be too tired to play well. You aren't taking classes on that other campus before practice. We like this professor instead. You'll have to take that over the summer. That course involves tools/knives - you can't take that in season. You cannot study abroad until you finish your eligibility. and "If I'm giving you a scholarship, you take the classes I tell you to!" And FWIW, I also know an athlete who failed a class at a smaller D1 because Lab was on Friday afternoon and she was on the road every other week. Coach said "don't take that class" and "the player said I need it to graduate." She failed it and had to transfer to a school with more sections of science labs. You may think student-athletes should have rights, but a lot of coaches actively disagree. All these examples and scenarios occur: and yes there are potential obsticals: but an athlete during their visit needs to visit academic department and be made aware of problems with team schedule and class responsibilities and the flexibility a department has with those conflicts. IF your academics is a key: then check: if athletic team is priority and you do not care then it is what it is! There is in addition to the coach at most D1’s an Academic Director in each athletic department who gets bonuses for gpa which means get athletes into easiest and council to that rather than to there desired major! |
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Post by dodger on Nov 9, 2024 11:26:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure what the NCAA rules or department policies say, but there are coaches who, in effect, veto athletes classes all of the time. That major is too hard. That class cuts into weights/video/practice/recovery time. That's too many credit's - I don't want you to be too tired to play well. You aren't taking classes on that other campus before practice. We like this professor instead. You'll have to take that over the summer. That course involves tools/knives - you can't take that in season. You cannot study abroad until you finish your eligibility. and "If I'm giving you a scholarship, you take the classes I tell you to!" And FWIW, I also know an athlete who failed a class at a smaller D1 because Lab was on Friday afternoon and she was on the road every other week. Coach said "don't take that class" and "the player said I need it to graduate." She failed it and had to transfer to a school with more sections of science labs. You may think student-athletes should have rights, but a lot of coaches actively disagree. Of course, at a D3 school? Student tells the coach, "OK, well, I quit the team." Solves that problem. no D3 coach will tell a tuition paying student /athlete to change their major for the team. D3 coaches are admisions machines and tuition paying studwnts are not told to change majors for the team |
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Post by Volleyfan on Nov 12, 2024 20:34:35 GMT -5
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