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Post by jwvolley on Jul 3, 2024 15:48:28 GMT -5
Nuneviller's mother said the athletes really vibed (pun intended) with her in AU and loved her coaching style. well then if her mom says so Do you have a more personal perspective of your own to refute that? Not saying it'll work out. Just thought it interesting. In contrast to Todd, whom apparently some of Atlanta really did not enjoy. |
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Post by jwvolley on Jul 3, 2024 15:56:18 GMT -5
jcvball22 I know you're close to the USC program. What was your impression of Amy's coaching chops in her stint there?
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Post by rivaldealer on Jul 3, 2024 16:04:18 GMT -5
well then if her mom says so Do you have a more personal perspective of your own to refute that? Not saying it'll work out. Just thought it interesting. In contrast to Todd, whom apparently some of Atlanta really did not enjoy. idk she was suspended and then let go midseason from ole miss for being un-vibey |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 3, 2024 16:07:38 GMT -5
i dont remember if i hinted this, but if i did, you're welcome
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 3, 2024 16:24:42 GMT -5
Do you have a more personal perspective of your own to refute that? Not saying it'll work out. Just thought it interesting. In contrast to Todd, whom apparently some of Atlanta really did not enjoy. idk she was suspended and then let go midseason from ole miss for being un-vibey And that is only part of the story. Her time at Ole Miss was not good. Maybe she's learned something? I really, really hope so. But, hey, I guess we always complain that men continue to get multiple chances despite being verifiably not good people. So, yay for equality, I guess? |
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Post by vup on Jul 3, 2024 16:28:02 GMT -5
Interesting… 🤔
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 3, 2024 16:34:25 GMT -5
jcvball22 I know you're close to the USC program. What was your impression of Amy's coaching chops in her stint there? I've known Amy far longer than her time at USC. I think she is genuinely solid coach who can train. She was an excellent recruiter during her time coaching college and managed to do a lot at some underfunded programs- Villanova and UAB, specifically- and was a piece of helping USC get back on its feet after the Crouch debacle (which put the program behind for a few years). Coaching at the pro level is a whole different bird. I think Amy is the kind of coach who is willing to ask for help where she needs it and has a strong network to help her make the transition to coaching at the pro level. Figuring out draft needs, running a team like a business, adjusting to the style of the game will all take time, but I think she is a good coach who can get it done. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 3, 2024 16:49:49 GMT -5
jcvball22 I know you're close to the USC program. What was your impression of Amy's coaching chops in her stint there? I've known Amy far longer than her time at USC. I think she is genuinely solid coach who can train. She was an excellent recruiter during her time coaching college and managed to do a lot at some underfunded programs- Villanova and UAB, specifically- and was a piece of helping USC get back on its feet after the Crouch debacle (which put the program behind for a few years). Coaching at the pro level is a whole different bird. I think Amy is the kind of coach who is willing to ask for help where she needs it and has a strong network to help her make the transition to coaching at the pro level. Figuring out draft needs, running a team like a business, adjusting to the style of the game will all take time, but I think she is a good coach who can get it done. The feedback I have heard is that she exhibited almost a competitive nature with some of her Orlando players--a little bit of "I know better" and "how dare you". Some of that might be attributable to the work-load as head coach in this particular situation, and frustration along with the pressure to win. That puts her sorta in the Kayla camp as far as I'm concerned--personality vs proficiency. But on the coaching side, I would also say that there were at least two or three matches where the loss was directly attributable to her coaching choices. |
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Post by volleytips101 on Jul 3, 2024 17:13:23 GMT -5
Did Todd get fired? Can’t believe they would let him go after the season they had…
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 3, 2024 17:14:14 GMT -5
I've known Amy far longer than her time at USC. I think she is genuinely solid coach who can train. She was an excellent recruiter during her time coaching college and managed to do a lot at some underfunded programs- Villanova and UAB, specifically- and was a piece of helping USC get back on its feet after the Crouch debacle (which put the program behind for a few years). Coaching at the pro level is a whole different bird. I think Amy is the kind of coach who is willing to ask for help where she needs it and has a strong network to help her make the transition to coaching at the pro level. Figuring out draft needs, running a team like a business, adjusting to the style of the game will all take time, but I think she is a good coach who can get it done. The feedback I have heard is that she exhibited almost a competitive nature with some of her Orlando players--a little bit of "I know better" and "how dare you". Some of that might be attributable to the work-load as head coach in this particular situation, and frustration along with the pressure to win. That puts her sorta in the Kayla camp as far as I'm concerned--personality vs proficiency. But on the coaching side, I would also say that there were at least two or three matches where the loss was directly attributable to her coaching choices. That probably depends on who you ask. She's certainly competitive. But there was definitely a vibe around the league from a lot of players that "We are pro athletes, we can do what we want.", as that was lamented by coaches in a variety of programs and was certainly obvious in the coaching changes. Kinda like the inmates running the asylum. There is a reason many of the American athletes didn't make it in overseas leagues- they don't like being uncomfortable after the relative cushiness of their college careers. They're used to being catered to. And a large chunk of the international athletes were those looking for some fun/a decent paycheck while heading for retirement, far past their prime, so they were just kind of doing their thing. Managing that disparity in personality, goals, and the entitlement factor was a major hurdle for many of the coaches in the league. The assumption that the coaches aren't also still learning is laughable. Everyone seemed to have massively outsized expectations of the level of this league (and I think will be just as disappointed with LOVB). Coaches will continue to adjust as they learn as well. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 3, 2024 17:24:11 GMT -5
The feedback I have heard is that she exhibited almost a competitive nature with some of her Orlando players--a little bit of "I know better" and "how dare you". Some of that might be attributable to the work-load as head coach in this particular situation, and frustration along with the pressure to win. That puts her sorta in the Kayla camp as far as I'm concerned--personality vs proficiency. But on the coaching side, I would also say that there were at least two or three matches where the loss was directly attributable to her coaching choices. That probably depends on who you ask. She's certainly competitive. But there was definitely a vibe around the league from a lot of players that "We are pro athletes, we can do what we want.", as that was lamented by coaches in a variety of programs and was certainly obvious in the coaching changes. Kinda like the inmates running the asylum. There is a reason many of the American athletes didn't make it in overseas leagues- they don't like being uncomfortable after the relative cushiness of their college careers. They're used to being catered to. And a large chunk of the international athletes were those looking for some fun/a decent paycheck while heading for retirement, far past their prime, so they were just kind of doing their thing. Managing that disparity in personality, goals, and the entitlement factor was a major hurdle for many of the coaches in the league. The assumption that the coaches aren't also still learning is laughable. Everyone seemed to have massively outsized expectations of the level of this league (and I think will be just as disappointed with LOVB). Coaches will continue to adjust as they learn as well. I think the player perspective you describe is legit, but there were also successful pro players who didn't fit that description who also lamented the coaches/coaching. Of course these coaches are still learning--none of them have actual pro coaching experience (the closest thing to it was Angel Perez in PR, and he was among the worst of all). Along with your point, if LOVB coaching is going to be just as disappointing, what does it say about PVF coaching--you have actual legit coaches (minus Matt). |
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Post by jcvball22 on Jul 3, 2024 17:33:54 GMT -5
That probably depends on who you ask. She's certainly competitive. But there was definitely a vibe around the league from a lot of players that "We are pro athletes, we can do what we want.", as that was lamented by coaches in a variety of programs and was certainly obvious in the coaching changes. Kinda like the inmates running the asylum. There is a reason many of the American athletes didn't make it in overseas leagues- they don't like being uncomfortable after the relative cushiness of their college careers. They're used to being catered to. And a large chunk of the international athletes were those looking for some fun/a decent paycheck while heading for retirement, far past their prime, so they were just kind of doing their thing. Managing that disparity in personality, goals, and the entitlement factor was a major hurdle for many of the coaches in the league. The assumption that the coaches aren't also still learning is laughable. Everyone seemed to have massively outsized expectations of the level of this league (and I think will be just as disappointed with LOVB). Coaches will continue to adjust as they learn as well. I think the player perspective you describe is legit, but there were also successful pro players who didn't fit that description who also lamented the coaches/coaching. Of course these coaches are still learning--none of them have actual pro coaching experience (the closest thing to it was Angel Perez in PR, and he was among the worst of all). Along with your point, if LOVB coaching is going to be just as disappointing, what does it say about PVF coaching--you have actual legit coaches (minus Matt). If they were expecting top level coaches, a fledgling league in a country that hasn't managed to support a solvent league ever seems like quite the choice... But I do think the coaches will spend the off-season retooling how they handle things and systems they are using to continue improving. It was the first year. It's a learning curve. I want LOVB to do well, but it still feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me. |
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Post by volleyguy on Jul 3, 2024 17:42:38 GMT -5
I think the player perspective you describe is legit, but there were also successful pro players who didn't fit that description who also lamented the coaches/coaching. Of course these coaches are still learning--none of them have actual pro coaching experience (the closest thing to it was Angel Perez in PR, and he was among the worst of all). Along with your point, if LOVB coaching is going to be just as disappointing, what does it say about PVF coaching--you have actual legit coaches (minus Matt). If they were expecting top level coaches, a fledgling league in a country that hasn't managed to support a solvent league ever seems like quite the choice... But I do think the coaches will spend the off-season retooling how they handle things and systems they are using to continue improving. It was the first year. It's a learning curve. I want LOVB to do well, but it still feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me. It seems clear to me that the PVF owners/leadership have a faulty (or absent) perspective on what coaching at a level beyond NCAA is all about. I feel the same way about LOVB as you do, but they have made savvier moves it seems--to my surprise. (And I'm convinced there is a deep state USAV conspiracy because even I can't believe Cecile Reynaud could be this clueless and ineffective.) |
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Post by avid 2.0 on Jul 3, 2024 17:47:01 GMT -5
If they were expecting top level coaches, a fledgling league in a country that hasn't managed to support a solvent league ever seems like quite the choice... But I do think the coaches will spend the off-season retooling how they handle things and systems they are using to continue improving. It was the first year. It's a learning curve. I want LOVB to do well, but it still feels like a lot of smoke and mirrors to me. deep state conspiracy now dont be calling holiday into this thread |
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Post by volleynerd on Jul 3, 2024 21:01:08 GMT -5
now dont be calling holiday into this thread lmfao he only shows up to the actual volleyball threads maybe once a year |
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