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Post by babybacksets on Aug 5, 2024 6:04:07 GMT -5
So do we see a major uptick in transfers to other mid tier programs and an eventual evening out of talent nationwide? If few good programs get a few good players that actually have the possibility to develop in another program, maybe we see the sport grow in an unexpected way? Maybe even ignite a few more P4 schools into starting a men’s program?
Or am I being too optimistic?
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Post by Not Me on Aug 5, 2024 16:06:58 GMT -5
So do we see a major uptick in transfers to other mid tier programs and an eventual evening out of talent nationwide? If few good programs get a few good players that actually have the possibility to develop in another program, maybe we see the sport grow in an unexpected way? Maybe even ignite a few more P4 schools into starting a men’s program? Or am I being too optimistic? I think you are too optimistic about new programs starting. No one is adding sports for a few years till they figure this out. |
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Post by hwnstunner on Aug 5, 2024 17:33:46 GMT -5
My fear is programs will cut men's volleyball...
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Post by midwestvball1 on Aug 5, 2024 17:40:44 GMT -5
So do we see a major uptick in transfers to other mid tier programs and an eventual evening out of talent nationwide? If few good programs get a few good players that actually have the possibility to develop in another program, maybe we see the sport grow in an unexpected way? Maybe even ignite a few more P4 schools into starting a men’s program? Yes, Hawaii, Long Beach, Penn State and Loyola bench players have transferred out to mid-tier programs (Menlo, Lewis, Belmont Abbey, Barry) this summer possibly due to roster trimming forecast. More will come next off-season. It will be interesting if roster limits actually reduce the amount of transfers. A player may be unhappy but then where do you go if options are non-existent. |
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Post by Timeless on Aug 5, 2024 18:01:48 GMT -5
At the end of the day an elite team will have 12-14 legit D1 level players on their roster to field a competitive A and B squad. With UCLA, LB and UH killing the recruiting game, it's going to be hard for a team outside this bubble to win a title in this next 4–5-year cycle.
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Post by gmu92 on Aug 6, 2024 20:18:00 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the roster limit only applies to those schools that opt in to the NIL/Scholarship stuff? If a mid major program doesn't get any NIL money for mens volleyball can they opt out and have more than 18 athletes on the roster?
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Post by warriorfan808 on Aug 7, 2024 1:58:25 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the roster limit only applies to those schools that opt in to the NIL/Scholarship stuff? If a mid major program doesn't get any NIL money for mens volleyball can they opt out and have more than 18 athletes on the roster? UH men’s volleyball coach Charlie Wade anticipated the NCAA moving toward a hard roster limit. Through the 2023 season, the Warriors’ roster averaged 20 players, with as many as 24. Last year, Wade reduced the roster to 18 — the proposed limit for the 2025 season. “There are schools with way more than that (this coming season),” Wade said. “I’ve got guys calling me all summer saying, ‘Hey, I want to transfer (to UH).’” But with the expected roster reduction and the talented incoming recruiting class, Wade told them: “I’m not loading up my roster if I’m going to have to cut you (in a year).” Wade added: “And they never heard of this. I said, it’s coming, and it’s coming quicker quicker than you would think, and as early as this summer. And here we are.” www.staradvertiser.com/2024/07/30/sports/stephen-tsai-roster-limits-scholarship-distributions-to-bring-new-challenges/ |
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Post by gofaster88 on Aug 7, 2024 8:39:54 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the roster limit only applies to those schools that opt in to the NIL/Scholarship stuff? If a mid major program doesn't get any NIL money for mens volleyball can they opt out and have more than 18 athletes on the roster? It's institution wide not per sport. So, if one sport at a school opts in every other sport is affected by it and has to as well. Keep in mind just because you have to follow the roster limit doesn't mean you have to give out the full allotment of scholarships. You are just limited to your roster size. In your example a mid major school who chooses to do it for their basketball/football programs will have every other sport (mens volleyball) comply to the roster size limits. |
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Post by warriorfan808 on Aug 7, 2024 16:13:44 GMT -5
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Post by volleycoach2310 on Aug 9, 2024 3:09:08 GMT -5
My totally unbiased opinion - they should care because are football scholarships 86-105 really going to win them anything, raise revenues, or even play ball on tv? Obviously you throw a bunch of NIL money at top FB/BB talent but float a few scholarships to volleyball and get your school back into the show. I agree intellectually that it makes sense to do this. But do you honestly think that will happen? I am skeptical. I do think schools like LBSU, UCSB, etc. without football teams will probably see the opportunity to get more scholarships into a small sport and start winning. But will they all see it that way? The question is will schools like LBSU have the funding to do 18? Especially without football revenue? On the flip side schools like UCLA may want to fund more football and due to Title IX won’t they have to give the same to the women, beach scholarships have soared under this too. So could men’s be cut completely at some schools!?!? |
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Post by gofaster88 on Aug 9, 2024 9:05:27 GMT -5
I agree intellectually that it makes sense to do this. But do you honestly think that will happen? I am skeptical. I do think schools like LBSU, UCSB, etc. without football teams will probably see the opportunity to get more scholarships into a small sport and start winning. But will they all see it that way? The question is will schools like LBSU have the funding to do 18? Especially without football revenue? On the flip side schools like UCLA may want to fund more football and due to Title IX won’t they have to give the same to the women, beach scholarships have soared under this too. So could men’s be cut completely at some schools!?!? Long Beach already has a "collective" in place to cover tuition expenses for their entire program which was 30+ players. They probably save money by agreeing to go to 18. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2024 14:14:25 GMT -5
The question is will schools like LBSU have the funding to do 18? Especially without football revenue? On the flip side schools like UCLA may want to fund more football and due to Title IX won’t they have to give the same to the women, beach scholarships have soared under this too. So could men’s be cut completely at some schools!?!? Long Beach already has a "collective" in place to cover tuition expenses for their entire program which was 30+ players. They probably save money by agreeing to go to 18. Lets be honest tuition at Long Beach is so cheap their collective can cover 30 players and that’s equivalent to the 4.5 at Pepperdine or SC. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Aug 9, 2024 14:46:43 GMT -5
Long Beach already has a "collective" in place to cover tuition expenses for their entire program which was 30+ players. They probably save money by agreeing to go to 18. Lets be honest tuition at Long Beach is so cheap their collective can cover 30 players and that’s equivalent to the 4.5 at Pepperdine or SC. At this point nothing is cheap anymore. Pepperdine lists their cost of Attendance at $98k a year vs $45k for Long Beach. How anyone can afford these rates these days. We are just strapping kids with a huge debt at this point. |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2024 15:03:44 GMT -5
Long Beach already has a "collective" in place to cover tuition expenses for their entire program which was 30+ players. They probably save money by agreeing to go to 18. Lets be honest tuition at Long Beach is so cheap their collective can cover 30 players and that’s equivalent to the 4.5 at Pepperdine or SC. the collective cannot cover 30 players. that's ridiculous If the collective can generate $200k that in itself would be amazing. that would also basically only cover about 6 players to some major degree at Long Beach |
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 9, 2024 15:09:44 GMT -5
the bottom line is this
there are six schools that would be on the list for 18 player full coverage. USC, Stanford, Penn State, UCLA, BYU, & Ohio State
that is where likely every NCAA champion will come from beginning 2030
the 'old' system was resulting in steady growth in programs because the cost of entry for MVB and being competitive between those 6 and the rest
by 2030, those 6 will band togehter, probably as a Big 10 conference with affiliates, to make a MVB super conference. they'll end up playing each other 4 times in the regular seasons, and sprinkle other matches
the money disparity and structural issues Hawaii and Beach especiallly will have to overcome will be immense. maybe Hawaii and Beach can get to 12 full schollies and recruit the best internationally and maintain things
the other thing is can the Big West MVB conference survive? It's a the bare minimum # of teams, and any thought Davis or POly would add MVB probably just got torpedoed long term.
The Big West might not be a conference in 5 years for all we know.
someone can lay out why the reasoning above is flawed, would enjoy seeing that reasoning
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