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Post by wilbur on Oct 24, 2024 16:21:39 GMT -5
how many #19-30 players see any playing time and/or get any scholarship? Could a school keep those players as practice players and not roster them a season? If they get better they move into the 18 the next season. They don't get to do hitting lines between sets but other than that it could look a lot like the current version. No, because practice players will now count against the roster limit. has that been defined somewhere? How would it be enforced if those practice players were walk-ons without scholarship or admissions assistance? |
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Post by jcvball22 on Oct 24, 2024 16:27:52 GMT -5
No, because practice players will now count against the roster limit. has that been defined somewhere? How would it be enforced if those practice players were walk-ons without scholarship or admissions assistance? That is the directive that has been passed on to the coaches as part of the settlement. On the women's side, that means male practice players will count against the roster limit as well. |
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Post by wilbur on Oct 24, 2024 16:39:29 GMT -5
has that been defined somewhere? How would it be enforced if those practice players were walk-ons without scholarship or admissions assistance? That is the directive that has been passed on to the coaches as part of the settlement. On the women's side, that means male practice players will count against the roster limit as well. thanks for info, interesting to know. It seems teh more I learn about this issue the more it looks like a big bump in teh road for men's volleyball and many other sports that aren't football and basketball. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Oct 24, 2024 21:54:24 GMT -5
has that been defined somewhere? How would it be enforced if those practice players were walk-ons without scholarship or admissions assistance? That is the directive that has been passed on to the coaches as part of the settlement. On the women's side, that means male practice players will count against the roster limit as well. Going to be a lot of injuries when coaches now have to jump in to simulate stuff. LOL |
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Post by volleyguy on Oct 24, 2024 22:03:58 GMT -5
That is the directive that has been passed on to the coaches as part of the settlement. On the women's side, that means male practice players will count against the roster limit as well. thanks for info, interesting to know. It seems teh more I learn about this issue the more it looks like a big bump in teh road for men's volleyball and many other sports that aren't football and basketball. Many of the coaches I have spoken with are ok with this change. Of course, they’re at already established programs, but apart from the concern that the settlement will force programs to be eliminated (which is a concern for some), the changes are generally more favorable for building a program. |
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Post by OuchMyBack on Oct 25, 2024 5:51:03 GMT -5
has that been defined somewhere? How would it be enforced if those practice players were walk-ons without scholarship or admissions assistance? That is the directive that has been passed on to the coaches as part of the settlement. On the women's side, that means male practice players will count against the roster limit as well. Even less opportunities for men's players.  |
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Post by wilbur on Oct 25, 2024 11:07:46 GMT -5
thanks for info, interesting to know. It seems teh more I learn about this issue the more it looks like a big bump in teh road for men's volleyball and many other sports that aren't football and basketball. Many of the coaches I have spoken with are ok with this change. Of course, they’re at already established programs, but apart from the concern that the settlement will force programs to be eliminated (which is a concern for some), the changes are generally more favorable for building a program. I can see that... if I was told that I had to cap employees and all my competitors had similar cap, my pay would be the same, less work for me and there were expected budget cuts... Big picture it will shift the landscape, a hard limit of 18 will make injuries and players in a funk a big deal. Less oppurtunity for developing players and more need for plug and play solutions. 18 man roster or less was common in the 90s but there were no Liberos and I feel like less injuries. There were also about 10% of how many boys are playing club and good college ready players coming out of HS. Nothing about this settlement appears to stimulate D1 universities to add a Mens team, hopefully the sport can do that on its own |
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Oct 25, 2024 21:45:04 GMT -5
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Post by midwestvball1 on Oct 26, 2024 19:10:34 GMT -5
Thank you for sharing the article. Great read with men's volleyball mentioned often. Interesting how bleak the outlook is described by John Speraw and knowing his involvement in NCAA, USA, and First Point Organization. Not good for D1 teams, current players getting cut, and limited future player opportunities. Looking forward to a Rob Coaches Podcast in the near future. |
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Post by gofaster88 on Oct 26, 2024 22:47:43 GMT -5
"Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork put his estimate at 150. The Buckeyes have one of the largest athletic departments in the country, offering 36 sports." Looks like they are prepared current roster has 19 with 3 seniors and 2 Grad students. |
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Post by thebaytocsulb on Oct 27, 2024 13:16:17 GMT -5
Complete bummer for walk-on athletes in every sport, who play simply for the love of the game. Many end up in coaching as well.
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Post by froggy640 on Oct 28, 2024 7:54:47 GMT -5
"Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork put his estimate at 150. The Buckeyes have one of the largest athletic departments in the country, offering 36 sports." Looks like they are prepared current roster has 19 with 3 seniors and 2 Grad students. The next 2-3 cycles will be tough for new recruits... Quote from article: "The new roster limit for men’s volleyball is 18 when many rosters are well over 20, said John Speraw, the new president and CEO of USA Volleyball who coached the men’s national team to a bronze medal in Paris. “This is just from the volleyball perspective, but one of the larger consequences of this decision is the impact of young people to play this sport,” Speraw told Yahoo Sports. “There are significantly less opportunities for boys in our sport to play at schools they really wanted to go to. Next fall, there’s going to be a lot of kids getting cut.”" |
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Post by roberts on Nov 6, 2024 19:30:58 GMT -5
"Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork put his estimate at 150. The Buckeyes have one of the largest athletic departments in the country, offering 36 sports." Looks like they are prepared current roster has 19 with 3 seniors and 2 Grad students. OSU recently cut 2 to get to that 19 and will cut 3 at the beginning of the 26 season. |
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Post by wilbur on Nov 6, 2024 21:30:24 GMT -5
"Ohio State athletic director Ross Bjork put his estimate at 150. The Buckeyes have one of the largest athletic departments in the country, offering 36 sports." Looks like they are prepared current roster has 19 with 3 seniors and 2 Grad students. OSU recently cut 2 to get to that 19 and will cut 3 at the beginning of the 26 season. that is some motivation to no let up all season! I don't think it is announced pre season in the past but not unusual for the larger roster teams to cut/lose 2+ players per year due to cuts either forced or voluntary for the teams I follow. What is normal for OSU? I have heard most teams are targeting to add 2 or more less players this year and probably going forward than past years. |
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Post by froggy640 on Nov 7, 2024 9:26:01 GMT -5
Doing a quick search here is what I found, I speaking with the head of one of the leading guy in NIL it seems clear there is going to be push back and he does not expect 4/7/25 will result in a final step. This could cause major issues as this would maintain the 4.5 scholarship cap and if universities have made promises beyond that limit may have to backpedal. AI Generated… -- The final approval hearing for the NCAA settlement is scheduled for April 7, 2025. The settlement is an agreement between the NCAA and power conferences, and the plaintiffs who sued over athlete compensation restrictions. If finalized, it will bring significant changes to college athletics. --Here are some key dates related to the settlement: October 18, 2024 - >Former players will be notified of the decision and the claims period will begin. December 17, 2024 -> The projected amount of money to be distributed will be publicly available. January 31, 2025 -> The window for people to submit claims, opt out, or bring objections to the court closes. The settlement includes:
- Backpay: Nearly $2.8 billion in backpay to former athletes over 10 years
- Revenue sharing: Schools can share up to $23 million annually with their athletes
- Roster structure: Bigger roster caps in many sports
- Scholarships: Scholarships may be available to all rostered players
- NIL: Division I schools can pay athletes directly for use of their name, image, and likeness (NIL)
Some groups have voiced concerns about the settlement, including:
The damages amount is too low The revenue sharing cap is too low Smaller Division I programs will pay a disproportionate share of the settlement
Here is a good article about the impact of this settlement regarding NIL: www.mccarter.com/insights/highly-touted-settlement-caps-nil-payments-to-student-athletes/This could turn into a boondoggle of arguments so that there is a better definition of "legitimate" and clear lines about who is in control here? There is an NIL industry in place and there will likely be some push/pull between Universities/ NCAA and the NIL outfits... Here is a quote: " Schools will not be required to spend the full amount of the available money, but most athletic departments in the power conferences will be expected to approach the cap to remain competitive in recruiting. NIL collectives, or groups of donors who compensate athletes with funding and endorsements, will also be able to provide NIL payments to players as long as the NCAA deems them to be legitimate forms of endorsement compensation, i.e., the athlete must provide a service in exchange for the payment, not just receive money for their athletic ability alone." |
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