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Post by gmu92 on Aug 11, 2024 14:18:21 GMT -5
So I have a question as a Canadian... Where the !!!!###$$$!!! is all this money coming from? How much does one kid pay for a club season in the states? How can families afford to fly their kid cross-state for a team. My parents didn't want to drive me 45 minutes when I played back in the day. A rough estimate is $5k for a season to play with a top club. That does not include travel and expenses to tournaments outside of region. In SoCal you will see a lot of rosters with 14 or 15 kids for one team. $5k x 14 = $70k There are expenses for Coaches, facilities, tournament fees, etc but for a top program IMO there is a bit of margin to bring a kid in for partial or zero fee if it gets them to gold on the last day of AAUs. These clubs are after all running a business and need to make business decisions, if a $5k loss to bring a ringer in brings 5-6 kids to the club the next year that's a good return. Suppose that momentum helps them field a new 2's team in the club the next season, that's a huge win for the club's profit. You also need to consider the clubs fighting to stay competitive, if they lose 5-6 kids returning the next season that can start a spiral that's hard to recover from. |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Aug 11, 2024 15:01:05 GMT -5
Will this rule change only effect houlihans team specifically within B2B or is this practice commonplace across the entire club? If the entire club or multiples clubs across the country are in violation it will impact. |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Aug 11, 2024 15:02:00 GMT -5
So I have a question as a Canadian... Where the !!!!###$$$!!! is all this money coming from? How much does one kid pay for a club season in the states? How can families afford to fly their kid cross-state for a team. My parents didn't want to drive me 45 minutes when I played back in the day. A rough estimate is $5k for a season to play with a top club. That does not include travel and expenses to tournaments outside of region. In SoCal you will see a lot of rosters with 14 or 15 kids for one team. $5k x 14 = $70k There are expenses for Coaches, facilities, tournament fees, etc but for a top program IMO there is a bit of margin to bring a kid in for partial or zero fee if it gets them to gold on the last day of AAUs. These clubs are after all running a business and need to make business decisions, if a $5k loss to bring a ringer in brings 5-6 kids to the club the next year that's a good return. Suppose that momentum helps them field a new 2's team in the club the next season, that's a huge win for the club's profit. You also need to consider the clubs fighting to stay competitive, if they lose 5-6 kids returning the next season that can start a spiral that's hard to recover from. Bay to bay has dues around $10K is what they told me a few years ago. Not sure if that’s actuate but it’s what was communicated at one point. Chicago clubs are anywhere from 5-6K. |
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Post by wilbur on Aug 11, 2024 16:33:29 GMT -5
A rough estimate is $5k for a season to play with a top club. That does not include travel and expenses to tournaments outside of region. In SoCal you will see a lot of rosters with 14 or 15 kids for one team. $5k x 14 = $70k There are expenses for Coaches, facilities, tournament fees, etc but for a top program IMO there is a bit of margin to bring a kid in for partial or zero fee if it gets them to gold on the last day of AAUs. These clubs are after all running a business and need to make business decisions, if a $5k loss to bring a ringer in brings 5-6 kids to the club the next year that's a good return. Suppose that momentum helps them field a new 2's team in the club the next season, that's a huge win for the club's profit. You also need to consider the clubs fighting to stay competitive, if they lose 5-6 kids returning the next season that can start a spiral that's hard to recover from. Bay to bay has dues around $10K is what they told me a few years ago. Not sure if that’s actuate but it’s what was communicated at one point. Chicago clubs are anywhere from 5-6K. All in before travel it is probably closer to 10k than 5k for most competitive California teams. That includes uniforms, tournament fees (coaches travel and team entry fees). Ther 5k (more like 6k+) maybe before you pay for the 3-5 tournament fees, misc fees and uniform packages which can add up to 2-4k more. After you pay for player travel and family travel it is well north of 10k per year. It is not a cheap hobby for kids! |
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Post by onyourhead on Aug 11, 2024 16:36:59 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but isn't the “backup” on the team committed to Penn State? Still a good shot with that kid. The clubs in Colorado have put out some good products in more recent years. I don't get all this commotion about having to play by the rules/oh the poor kid. How about letting him enjoy his senior year instead of having to fly to practices and stuff. He has his UCLA scholarship already. Your chirp or “you want better kids to play for your club, get better coaches.” Well, it’s time for you to prove that you're a “better” coach by having try to win with JUST a Penn State commit. Rafa is a baller. Not saying he wouldn’t get committed to UCLA if he stayed in Colorado, but I do believe practicing with B2B helped his game tremendously. Played with him before and after the move to B2B and his game is on an entire new level. I think people get lost in the fact that alot of kids are really good at volleyball, but the kids who get committed to top schools need to be in the gym with another top players every week and be on a high level team to be on a bigger stage. |
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Post by nonathleticperson on Aug 11, 2024 17:18:50 GMT -5
So I have a question as a Canadian... Where the !!!!###$$$!!! is all this money coming from? How much does one kid pay for a club season in the states? How can families afford to fly their kid cross-state for a team. My parents didn't want to drive me 45 minutes when I played back in the day. A rough estimate is $5k for a season to play with a top club. That does not include travel and expenses to tournaments outside of region. In SoCal you will see a lot of rosters with 14 or 15 kids for one team. $5k x 14 = $70k There are expenses for Coaches, facilities, tournament fees, etc but for a top program IMO there is a bit of margin to bring a kid in for partial or zero fee if it gets them to gold on the last day of AAUs. These clubs are after all running a business and need to make business decisions, if a $5k loss to bring a ringer in brings 5-6 kids to the club the next year that's a good return. Suppose that momentum helps them field a new 2's team in the club the next season, that's a huge win for the club's profit. You also need to consider the clubs fighting to stay competitive, if they lose 5-6 kids returning the next season that can start a spiral that's hard to recover from.
That seems normal... but how are these kids paying for flights/drives cross border? That's out of the families pocket? Or are clubs paying for that. That's bonkers.
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Post by midwestvball1 on Aug 11, 2024 17:38:02 GMT -5
They would be smarter to move to California. Then they get in-state tuition, right?
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Post by volleycoach2310 on Aug 12, 2024 3:16:13 GMT -5
So I have a question as a Canadian... Where the !!!!###$$$!!! is all this money coming from? How much does one kid pay for a club season in the states? How can families afford to fly their kid cross-state for a team. My parents didn't want to drive me 45 minutes when I played back in the day. It is a different world. I had 2 players who played for free at a top club, I think they just paid a uniform fee and their travel…saved probably close to 10k in fees. Then on top of that I know so many kids who fly all over the country for tournaments, trainings etc….sooo much money spent. |
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Post by babybacksets on Aug 12, 2024 17:48:17 GMT -5
Lol how did I know this thread would devolve into another “sh!t on Arielle Houlihan” circle jerk 🤣
You are all very sad individuals
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Post by coy on Aug 12, 2024 18:55:01 GMT -5
Lol how did I know this thread would devolve into another “sh!t on Arielle Houlihan” circle jerk 🤣 You are all very sad individuals Literally where has it done that? The only time she’s brought up is when people come on here claiming the AAU and men’s volleyball doesn’t want to see a female club director win anything. Which is absurd. |
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Post by wilbur on Aug 12, 2024 20:08:34 GMT -5
I am not sure now or in recent past but USAV/SCVA used to have similar rules which limited out of state players from joining SCVA teams but there were some ways around it and I don't think it was that well enforced but I never remember seeing it taken to the level that is being suggested now if B2B got their wish.
The reason AAU and other organizations have restrictions like this is to create some level of (perceived) equality, it is like a salary cap in pro sports. There will always be some argument for and against this and most of the people that fall on one side or the other will do so because it benefits either themselves or someone they identify with or are close to.
Its a thorny issue, I see both sides; I don't like over regulation and favor simple rules that have logical and fair intents that benefit the players and the sport's development. I also get that many don't like to see a club turn into a super nova by drawing top players from around the country while side stepping an existing rule, even if it was a rule partially ignored and recently side stepped several times on a lower magnitude.
It isn't fair to say it is a hate on B2B and I feel like B2B is definitely playing the victim which, to be fair, is what most would do in this situation. Also to be fair, if any other club was doing this, then I think the reaction would be the same and more severe. Imagine BB did this with the 4 players in question including Rafa... some people were upset when they absorbed some 949 players a few years ago which had no rule infractions but these things do bring out strong feelings on both sides.
I do think the Houlihans are out there playing chess for the past decade compared to most of the boys CDs. BB is one hell of a checkers player though!
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Post by eastcoasthomer on Aug 13, 2024 0:30:45 GMT -5
Lol how did I know this thread would devolve into another “sh!t on Arielle Houlihan” circle jerk 🤣 You are all very sad individuals classic case of reading being hard |
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Post by GrowingTheGame14 on Aug 14, 2024 8:22:57 GMT -5
Saw this on Facebook. Goes hand in hand with the current environment boys is in right now. It was a post someone tagged USABeach in after Sweden won the gold in men’s beach.
Dear @usabeachvolleyball,
This is a good thing. If, in fact, the goal was to grow the game, get more eyes on it and spread the love - if you meant that - then be who and what you are.
You are not a group of grumpy old men complaining that the rest of the world has caught up and in some cases, passed us - you are an entity that inspired the world to be just like you. These are kids who were inspired by Misty and Kerri, Karch and Steffes, Sinjin and Stoklos, and Phil and whomever. They were watching a big screen wanting to be just like you.
You are also the same ones who would say “don’t be like me - be better than me.”
And now? They are there, if not headed there. And now? Medals are being won by countries that are not even known for their beaches. And now? We, the country that tells everyone else to pull themselves up by their boot straps? It is time to cowboy up and get back to work.
Embrace it. Learn from it. Earn it.
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Post by couchanalyst on Aug 15, 2024 17:51:03 GMT -5
Let's get those appeals going!!
2024-2025 AAU VOLLEYBALL RESIDENCY/ELIGIBILITY RULE
AAU MEMBERSHIP
A youth member must register in the District of their bona fide residency, except as follows:
- A youth member who resides in the county of one district that adjoins a county of another district and who attends school located in the adjoining county, will have the option of registering in either district.
- A youth member subject to a written joint legal custody arrangement, whose custodians reside in different districts should have the option of registering in either district.
-A bona fide student at an educational institution may be considered a resident of that district in which the institution is located.
-The National AAU Board of Review shall determine issues of residency.
ELIGIBILITY
A youth member may elect to participate in his or her district of bona fide residence, or a district that is geographically adjoined to that district.
Club attachment. A youth member becomes attached to a club when he or she competes with that club in any AAU authorized event.
TRANSFERS
Transfers. Athletes who transfer under the section are subject to national championship eligibility restrictions as adopted by the National Sport Committee. After a youth member becomes attached to a club he/she may only transfer to another club in the same sport as follows:
- if the youth member has not competed in any AAU authorized events in that sport for a period of 60 days, no permission is necessary.
- If the representative of the club to which an athlete is attached, signed a release form permitting and immediate transfer. (athlete to transfer under the section are subject to national championship eligibility restrictions as adopted by the National Sport Committee)
- If the national sport committee determines, there is a good case to believe that the transfer is due to events outside the control of the athlete, or that the transfer serves in the best interest of the AAU.
Residency Appeal Process
Send appeals to Joe Gura, National AAU Volleyball Chair (jgura@aausports.org) and Ciera Hecht, AAU Volleyball Sports Coordinator (checht@aausports.org).
Appeals will be sent to the AAU Volleyball Appeal Advisory Committee for their recommendation.
Deadline for appeals. September 1st
1. An athlete outside of your district or adjoining district that played for your club in the ‘23-‘24 season may return to that club for the 24-25 season. Only applies to the last club the athlete played for. Grandfathered in, but appeal required to track athletes.
2. An athlete outside your district or adjoining district has had tryouts prior to August 7, with proof of commitment, they must appeal.
3. An athlete outside your district or adjoining district has Proof of commitment, (Without Tryout prior to August 7th) for the 2024-2025 season They must appeal.
Sincerely,
Joe Gura
National AAU Volleyball Chair
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Post by servenpass311 on Aug 18, 2024 19:47:47 GMT -5
Looking like bay to bay got away with all those athletes. Not sure how they did it, but they did.
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