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Post by chancelucky on Aug 18, 2006 2:49:42 GMT -5
Yes, the City Beach teams that qualified for JO's were not allowed to go because of a paperwork snafu.
To be fair, it's not clear that this was NCVA's fault. The City Beach person who delivered it, said it was put in NCVA's mail slot (in their door) in timely fashion. NCVA apparently never found it. City Beach took responsibility for not calling to confirm that it had indeed gotten there. They also thanked the region for lobbying for them in the aftermath.
NCVA assured us that any team that qualifies for JO's gets a call prior to the deadline to let them know if their paperwork is complete or not.
Over in the red place, there was a story on "JO's" paperwork issues. John wrote that he called NCVA for their side of the story, was promised a call back, and never heard from them. (which happens with any of us). I did ask the Region Staff about the story and the failure to call back, since they apparently would have told John that they have a system comparable to the Ohio Valley Region's for ensuring that bids get processed appropriately. (John's artice praised OVR's system) and that is every bit as effective. She didn't answer my question (I suspect I was too confrontational), but it clearly was a pity that the red place couldn't report on NCVA's excellent system.
NCVA also assured us that no other club has ever lost bids due to paperwork issues. I assume that's true and would say that City Beach took responsibility for what happened publicly. I wouldn't blame this one on NCVA, based on what I know at this point.
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 18, 2006 20:03:48 GMT -5
I feel a little stupid. USAV has rules and regulations on faciities? Our region never mentioned them. Is it possible a region wouldn't know about them?
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Post by Go Iowa on Aug 18, 2006 21:41:26 GMT -5
That's why you have me! usavolleyball.org/media/rulesofficials/06DCR/indoor/2006IndoorDCR.pdf Very clear on the rules... courts, ceiling height, dead zones, etc. It's in all rulebooks as well. So no, it is NOT possible that the Region wouldn't know about them. It's possible they ignore them in so cases (such as the minimum 23' ceiling height, or dead zone areas, etc.). But they'd be in the wrong... Have fun!
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 19, 2006 13:18:15 GMT -5
Thanks Go Iowa, the part about the flat and safe court surface on page 2 is interesting. I don't see anything though about "human" factors like temperature, bathrooms, water.
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Post by Go Iowa on Aug 19, 2006 13:49:41 GMT -5
I know there's something about temperature... it's 50 degrees and above I think. Not sure about bathrooms and/or water...
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 19, 2006 14:29:48 GMT -5
thanks, found it on page 4 50 degrees and 77 degrees max (wow that's not that hot) but it appears to be for FIVB, still an interesting guideline.
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 21, 2006 16:21:26 GMT -5
Got a response from the NCVA. I assume it's a followup to the NCVA board's request that we keep working with the commissioner. I had sent a note inquiring about picking up on matters that still involved the Region office below.... I invite comment here or to me privately via e-mail here. meeting 6/12 Hi Donna, Hope you're doing well. I just wanted to check in on behalf of the group about 1) next steps for those peices we've discussed that should be pursued with the region office. 2) and a timetable for hearing back from the board on some of the matters that need board approval or policy. When should we expect a response? link to the NCVA's response. chancelucky.blogspot.com/2006/08/ncva-august-response-volleyball.html
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Post by BearClause on Aug 21, 2006 16:46:23 GMT -5
thanks, found it on page 4 50 degrees and 77 degrees max (wow that's not that hot) but it appears to be for FIVB, still an interesting guideline. That's nothing. NCAA women's event management requirement is 60°F to 90°F. I've actually been to a gym that was easily over 80°F, and I can't imagine that anyone playing found that acceptable.
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 21, 2006 18:00:38 GMT -5
BC,
I think there's a distinction between what's uncomfortable and what's actually dangerous for normal people. It's pretty common for coaches to have players work hard in very hot conditions.
Heat stroke, etc. should not be a reasonable outcome of the combination of conditions. Workouts are also more controllable than match situations where both teams push themselves to the limit. 77 degrees seemed suprisingly low to me but 90 seems quite reasonable as an upper limit for an indoor match.
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Post by chancelucky on Aug 24, 2006 12:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by chancelucky on Sept 1, 2006 14:45:00 GMT -5
another minor update: received the following from the commissioner. Dear Mr. ____ I have been requested to email you with the following information from Diane Mazzei. Ms. Mazzei has responded to your letter dated August 16, 2006 via US mail to your address listed on your letter. Donna Donaghy Commissioner cc: Diane Mazzie link to the prior correspondence del.icio.us/chancelucky/ncva
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Post by chancelucky on Sept 10, 2006 22:03:39 GMT -5
I received a letter from the NCVA board chair on Sept. 9, postmarked Sept.8. The parent group met with the board on June 6. I'll refrain from comment for a bit once again. short version 1) the NCVA does not share its minutes or agendas with the public 2) it does not necessarily consider it necessary to inform the public when the board meets but is willing to do that on occasion. We apparently ask the same questions a lot. chancelucky.blogspot.com/2006/09/reply-from-ncva-chair-sept-8-ncva.html
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Post by ohiovb on Sept 10, 2006 23:22:11 GMT -5
Can anyone tell me if Donna Donaghy is formerly Donna Pochran, who at one time was married to an open-level grass doubles player named Randy Chang?
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Post by chancelucky on Sept 11, 2006 0:04:07 GMT -5
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Post by chancelucky on Oct 2, 2006 19:46:00 GMT -5
The parent group has now posted a faq in response to a couple folk who found it a little hard to follow the issues on my personal site. This is meant to be a 1+ page summary of the issues and what the group is demanding. The group has decided to open a dedicated website NCVA4all which should open in the near future, to make it easier for those who don't know the story to follow. Please feel free in the meantime to share comments, questions, disagreement, etc. either here or on the current site. The group welcomes input at all times. chancelucky.blogspot.com/2006/10/ncva4all-parent-group-faq-volleyball.html
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