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Post by BearClause on Oct 2, 2006 15:03:39 GMT -5
KBow is light years from 1st team all-american status. the '04 year she had great numbers all-around, and they don't pick awards on the "glue" factor (unfortunately). Keao Burdine in '04 hit .237 and got 1st team AA. However - her team did make it to the FF, as did Bowman.
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Post by bomber on Oct 2, 2006 15:04:27 GMT -5
gardner. looks their their libero this year, though, leads the conference in DPG...wonder what it is...coaching? leadership? seem to have the talent... It might be coaching or leadership too, but I'm sorry, they don't have the talent either. There is no one on their team right now who could start for any of the top 4 or 5 teams in the conference. They don't seem to be able to do anything on offense or defense other than average at best, and that won't get you many kudos (or wins) in the Big ten.
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Post by Gorf on Oct 2, 2006 15:07:55 GMT -5
KBow is light years from 1st team all-american status. the '04 year she had great numbers all-around, and they don't pick awards on the "glue" factor (unfortunately). Keao Burdine in '04 hit .237 and got 1st team AA. However - her team did make it to the FF, as did Bowman. That's interesting I though there was a minimum 0.250 attack percentage to be an AA? Perhaps that's just a "guideline" number they use to check relative viability for players receiving AA nominations.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 15:09:52 GMT -5
Now several people are talking about 1st team AA. Congrats! You've managed to change the subject, jack.
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Post by bigtenfred on Oct 2, 2006 15:13:11 GMT -5
I remember when Walbridge in 04 lead the big ten in blocking and hitting%% and did not make the Big Ten team. Russ stated she flew under the radar screens. That happens! Reinike is putting up good #'s again and Walbridge blocking wise just droped down to # 2 with 1 block behind her. Still way too early to tell as players hopefully get better as the season progresses.
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Post by dontknowjack on Oct 2, 2006 15:20:45 GMT -5
i disagree on the talent. they have it. they just need glue. i belive several of their players were offered by mutliple big ten schools. also, if they have no talent, how does that explain their success last year and in recent years -- luck?
same with michigan -- lots of highly touted recruits, and they tanked last year, and are on their way down now. talent or no talent? bad luck? bad coaching?
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Post by maninyellowhat on Oct 2, 2006 15:23:24 GMT -5
I think most of the Michigan players suffer from PTSD from the lovely Mrs. Rosen SCREAMING at them every chance she gets. Watch when she does this. Her face gets ruby red and she just screams.
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Post by bomber on Oct 2, 2006 15:24:31 GMT -5
I remember when Walbridge in 04 lead the big ten in blocking and hitting%% and did not make the Big Ten team. Russ stated she flew under the radar screens. That happens! Reinike is putting up good #'s again and Walbridge blocking wise just droped down to # 2 with 1 block behind her. Still way too early to tell as players hopefully get better as the season progresses. Some get better, and some get worse. And it's not number of blocks, but blocks per game that is the relevant stat in that department.
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Post by JT on Oct 2, 2006 15:25:18 GMT -5
Now several people are talking about 1st team AA. Congrats! You've managed to change the subject, jack. Who's gonna be on the AA team? What do you think, (R)? ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2006 15:25:51 GMT -5
Kelly Bowman!
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Post by bomber on Oct 2, 2006 15:32:43 GMT -5
i disagree on the talent. they have it. they just need glue. i belive several of their players were offered by mutliple big ten schools. also, if they have no talent, how does that explain their success last year and in recent years -- luck? same with michigan -- lots of highly touted recruits, and they tanked last year, and are on their way down now. talent or no talent? bad luck? bad coaching? In Michigan's case, recruiting (or lack of it) is the fatal flaw. They have little contribution from their frosh, and they have a scholarship middle who won't play unless they hold a gun to the Rosen's collective heads.Too many recruits from their volleyball poor home state, and the few good ones there are from Michigan get away. (McGinnis, Glass and Price) With regard to NW, all Big Ten schools have players that were offered by multiple schools. My contention is that the recruits they get don't pan out. I still believe the Wildcats don't have a single starter who would start for the top five teams in the conference....what say you??
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Post by volleynut on Oct 2, 2006 15:34:39 GMT -5
Some please tell Mrs. Rosen that's it ok to change her clothes and comb her hair before the match. She looks like she just out of the car on a cross country drive. Very Scarrrrry!!!!
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Post by Gorf on Oct 2, 2006 15:45:51 GMT -5
I remember when Walbridge in 04 lead the big ten in blocking and hitting%% and did not make the Big Ten team. Russ stated she flew under the radar screens. That happens! Reinike is putting up good #'s again and Walbridge blocking wise just droped down to # 2 with 1 block behind her. Still way too early to tell as players hopefully get better as the season progresses. Some get better, and some get worse. And it's not number of blocks, but blocks per game that is the relevant stat in that department. So we'll say Walbridge is 0.09 blocks per game behind behind Reineke.
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Post by dontknowjack on Oct 2, 2006 15:56:55 GMT -5
re: mich, i think they made a few recruitg errors, mainly with that setter from last year -- yikes. but miller, katie b, and stelsky were all top, widely sought after recruits. bowman was also a big time recruit b/c of her physicality, but she has really developed much skill. at any rate, lots of talent coming in -- seems like they aren't panning out ultimately. also, would katie B be the L1 at most other big ten schools? maybe maybe not. not to say she wouldn't start, but i can see some coaches not relying on her to carry the offense.
i think for NU all of their starters could be starting at another school, perhaps in another capacity. with the right training, the big lefty setter could be a stud. moments of brilliance for sure. i really like hyser, their smaller middle. and their libero was amazing in the one match i saw. their outsides seem good, just inconsistent, but they lack an outside who can just crank on balls at will like a fawcwett, hodge, erin martin from minn, gordon, and even, to a smaller scale, katie johnson. so yeah, i think they are panning out, and i also think they haven't reached their potential, so it's a disappointment to see them tank it early.
i think the coaches for both Mich and NW should use SHondell as an example -- what that guy has done in only a few years is amazing. purdue was the bottom-dweller for so long, and he got major talent and is bringing the best out of them. plus those renovations he got going -- that is the sign of a really great coach.
haha, and yes, lady rosen is INTENSE. even on TV you can hear/see her disgust!
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 2, 2006 15:59:22 GMT -5
One comment about Michigan: yes, they lost to Indiana, but other than that, in what way are they underachieving ("other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the play?")
They have lost to Purdue at home, and Minnesota and Wisconsin on the road. None of those are in any way surprising. OK, they should be 1 - 3, and not 0 - 4. But is that really so far off from what anyone expected?
Moreover, it's not true that that their whole pre-conference season was cupcake. Iowa St and San Diego are decent teams.
I'll grant the IU loss. But aside from that, they played Purdue tough, and even Minnesota reasonably so (only game 3 wasn't close). Any other win would have certainly have been an upset. Is that a reason to write them off as hopeless?
Same deal with Illinois. They lost to Wisconsin and Minnesota. Albeit at home, but then again, those were matches not too many people expected to win.
Just because they aren't in the top 5 in the Big Ten doesn't mean they are that bad. Teams 6 and 7 in the Big Ten are legitimate, and have NCAA wins under their belt in recent years (of the top of my head, Purdue in 2004, Northwestern last year, Michigan both years, right?).
Let's see what happens when Michigan and Illinois play more teams they are supposed to beat, or are close to. Illinois already beat Northwestern. There is also Michigan St. And Iowa and Indiana.
Even with the pre-conference successes, was anyone really thinking Michigan and Illinois were anything but the 6th and 7th best teams in the big ten, at best? If not, why the dismissal when they lose to teams 2 - 4 (or maybe 2 and 3, in Illinois's case)?
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