Block Error stats

[IdahoBoy]

I know that a block error is recorded when a player is in the net. I thought that it was also recorded when a blocker was 'tooled', meaning the ball went out-of-bounds after hitting the block... is this the case?

Thanks in Advance,

[Mac]

Does anyone think a BE is a worthwhile stat? Personally I think it's a waste of space.

I'd rather see POS for Points Off the Serve. That would given an indication of who was serving effectively.

[IdahoBoy]

I think that 'effective passing' would be better than either, but I can see some uses for both.

[2c]

idahoboy said:

I know that a block error is recorded when a player is in the net. I thought that it was also recorded when a blocker was 'tooled', meaning the ball went out-of-bounds after hitting the block... is this the case?

Thanks in Advance,

BlkErr shouldn't include getting tooled; because you have to judge if an attacker went high hands and got a touch call or if she meant to hit the outside blockers outer arm to get a touch, or... I believe it's limited to nets but I've never looked it up... Gorf is the stats guru.

Agree that passing stats would be much more beneficial and even simply telling how many serve attempts a player has would have merit. Often seeing a player has 3 serving errors looks bad, but if she's running a lot a points and is serving 3-4 times more than other players, it's more expected that she'd probably have more errors.

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A BE is only given when the blocker is in the net, called for a line violation, is back row, or reaches over the net illegally (on 1st or 2nd ball, for instance).

The last one would most often be a hitting error, however, since if the opponent had attacked the ball it would be legal. If a free ball or overpass is recorded as a blocking error, that (imho) is a mistake.

[volleydog]

ruffda said:

A BE is only given when the blocker is in the net, called for a line violation, is back row, or reaches over the net illegally (on 1st or 2nd ball, for instance).

The last one would most often be a hitting error, however, since if the opponent had attacked the ball it would be legal. If a free ball or overpass is recorded as a blocking error, that (imho) is a mistake.

How could a freeball or overpass ever be recorded as a BE? It's just not possible, Because a BE ends play. Like in the cases you said above.

[scorpianraider]

pepperdinesports.cstv.com/sports/w-volley/stats/2006-2007/pepwvb13.html

If you look at the box scores at Pepperdine, they list receptions and reception errors. They also list total service attempts. I think you would find schools with a men's team track more stats than those with just a women's team as the men's programs want to keep all these extra stats.

[cougvb]

I think most teams keep a 3-2-1-0 stat on passing (3 is perfect, 0 is you were aced, etc). Usually the assistants or a manager keep it. I would like to see this stat on the official stat sheet. Maybe it's just too subjective to let a stat person keep.

[TheSantaBarbarian]

cougvb said:

I think most teams keep a 3-2-1-0 stat on passing (3 is perfect, 0 is you were aced, etc). Usually the assistants or a manager keep it. I would like to see this stat on the official stat sheet. Maybe it's just too subjective to let a stat person keep.

I know that UCSB at least used to keep that stat. I agree with IB (as hard as that is to believe) that we really need a passing stat. I think passing is far more important than digs.

I also think we need to change the "points" stat. It really bugs me that one player can have 10 kills and 0 errors and another can have 15 kills and 10 errors and the 2nd gets a better rating. Points should be successes MINUS errors.

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volleydog said:

ruffda said:

A BE is only given when the blocker is in the net, called for a line violation, is back row, or reaches over the net illegally (on 1st or 2nd ball, for instance).

The last one would most often be a hitting error, however, since if the opponent had attacked the ball it would be legal. If a free ball or overpass is recorded as a blocking error, that (imho) is a mistake.

How could a freeball or overpass ever be recorded as a BE? It's just not possible, Because a BE ends play. Like in the cases you said above.

I'm saying an attempt to "block" an overpass or freeball which results in a fault should be recorded as a hitting error, not a blocking error.

[blastingsand]

Are tools recorded as kills?

[BearClause]

blastingsand said:

Are tools recorded as kills?

Sure, if it's from an attack that leads directly to a point.