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Post by OverAndUnder on Oct 24, 2006 8:55:44 GMT -5
I'm not going to share my opinion of Santiago one way or the other, but I will say that I have seen USAV/NCAA refs at club and college matches who give the setter from the higher ranked team a slight benefit of the doubt on ball handling, while being somewhat quicker to assume the "lower" setter is doubling the ball, especially in situations where a double is expected. For example, if a defender passes a hard jumpserve/attack thirty feet in the air, you can practically see the ref inhaling to blow her whistle in the long seconds it takes the ball to fall into the setter's hands.
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Post by itsallrelative on Oct 24, 2006 9:21:09 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of times non-setters are called much, much tighter on 2nd contacts?
Or that 3rd contacts are almost never called, no matter how mangled they are?
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Post by maninyellowhat on Oct 24, 2006 10:56:47 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of times non-setters are called much, much tighter on 2nd contacts? I think that happens a lot.
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Post by foreignball on Oct 24, 2006 11:14:17 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of times non-setters are called much, much tighter on 2nd contacts? Or that 3rd contacts are almost never called, no matter how mangled they are? This is very true. Very often refs "miss" balls that are mishandled by the setter but blow the wistle any time when a non-setter touches the 2nd ball. I name this "NCAA refs patent" - you can't see this in the intrenational game where very often MB are the backup setters.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 24, 2006 11:21:03 GMT -5
Has anyone else noticed that a lot of times non-setters are called much, much tighter on 2nd contacts? Or that 3rd contacts are almost never called, no matter how mangled they are? This is very true. Very often refs "miss" balls that are mishandled by the setter but blow the wistle any time when a non-setter touches the 2nd ball. I name this "NCAA refs patent" - you can't see this in the intrenational game where very often MB are the backup setters. I see refs penalize players for poor form even if the contact is reasonably simultaneous with both hands. I've seen my share of players who start with the hands at their shoulders, then meet the ball. It's ugly and does result in many legitimately called doubles, but also results in a lot of unfairly called doubles.
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Post by bobdhwkr1 on Oct 24, 2006 13:43:58 GMT -5
I get to see him in action when OU plays Kansas tomorrow night. After the game last year I thought he was the most obnoxious VB coach I had ever seen. Never sat down & never shut up. We sit 2 rows behind the bench, so we get a good look at how the coaches operate. Played a little trick I had never seen in a B 12 match. Tight game in the 20s, Kansas player is ready to serve, he stands & acts like he is saying something to one of his players. She turns & starts nodding her head. Kansas player too polite to serve & gets called for time.
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Post by cougvb on Oct 24, 2006 14:09:36 GMT -5
I get to see him in action when OU plays Kansas tomorrow night. After the game last year I thought he was the most obnoxious VB coach I had ever seen. Never sat down & never shut up. We sit 2 rows behind the bench, so we get a good look at how the coaches operate. Played a little trick I had never seen in a B 12 match. Tight game in the 20s, Kansas player is ready to serve, he stands & acts like he is saying something to one of his players. She turns & starts nodding her head. Kansas player too polite to serve & gets called for time. Maybe you didn't see phaedus' rules for posting about this guy. You are not entitled to your opinion unless you: *Play pick up open doubles *Have personally interviewed his current and former players, colleagues, relatives, neighbors *Have the same opinion as phaedus If you qualify, please let us know how he behaves tomorrow night.
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Post by oukaes on Oct 24, 2006 19:55:05 GMT -5
ok people seriously...this has gone on long enough...can we talk THE GAME KU vs OU
KU has been playing I think a lot better as of late....this should be an interesting match as we are coming off a 5 game loss at texas
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 24, 2006 20:36:35 GMT -5
Man, I stay away for a day and all this happens.
Itsallrelative. I never said I played "Open" Doubles. I said doubles in open play. Huge difference.
I know trash talk, since most of it is directed at me when I played , so I should know it.
cougvb. Dang, sounds like I hit a deep nerve.
I can accept:"boy he is an emoional coach." or " Boy is he obnoxious." or " That guy is a jerk." In fact, I think the large Colombian would like those monikers. It is the quote about letting daughters play for him that goes over the line because it assumes that because he is fiery, passionate, loud and obnoxious that he mistreats his players, beat them like mules and kicks them when they are down. It isn't true, and your logic does not hold water.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 24, 2006 20:48:02 GMT -5
cougvb. Dang, sounds like I hit a deep nerve. I can accept:"boy he is an emoional coach." or " Boy is he obnoxious." or " That guy is a jerk." In fact, I think the large Colombian would like those monikers. It is the quote about letting daughters play for him that goes over the line because it assumes that because he is fiery, passionate, loud and obnoxious that he mistreats his players, beat them like mules and kicks them when they are down. It isn't true, and your logic does not hold water. I never got that. The jist I got was that she feels that he sets a bad example of how to behave in a public setting. For some people, that would be enough to rule out allowing their daughters to play for such a coach.
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Post by romeo on Oct 24, 2006 21:52:05 GMT -5
Man oh man. I would think people would have their daughters play for a coach that yelled at the refs (set a 'bad' example) instead of demeaning the players in a heartbeat. "Us" against "them" instead of "let's see who we can blame on our own team". No contest.
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Post by BearClause on Oct 24, 2006 22:25:14 GMT -5
Man oh man. I would think people would have their daughters play for a coach that yelled at the refs (set a 'bad' example) instead of demeaning the players in a heartbeat. "Us" against "them" instead of "let's see who we can blame on our own team". No contest. How about a coach who doesn't demean players AND is judicious about raising his voice or arguing with the officials? I don't know enough about Coach Restrepo to form an opinion on him. However - I do understand where cougvb is coming from. She never said anything about him other than he was loud and generally obnoxious. I'm also a bit surprised that Phaedrus has called her out for stating her opinion. I've heard all her responses, and the following doesn't seem to represent anything that she's said or implied. All I ever got was that she thinks his (generally acknowledged) constant loud antics are bad enough that she wonders why parents let their kids play for him. It is the quote about letting daughters play for him that goes over the line because it assumes that because he is fiery, passionate, loud and obnoxious that he mistreats his players, beat them like mules and kicks them when they are down. It isn't true, and your logic does not hold water. That implication is completely off base. Talk about logic that doesn't hold water. This is what she wrote, and it makes zero references to any abuse directed at his players: Oklahoma played BYU two years ago. I remember watching the match and thinking, how do parents let their daughters play for this jerk? He never sat down, seemed to want all the attention on himself, no call by officials was without his loud objections, etc. Don't remember him yelling at his players, but his behavior toward officials really turned me off, and it seemed like he wanted to always be in the spotlight.
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Post by mauricciobal on Oct 24, 2006 22:29:58 GMT -5
Very happy for coach's Restrepo club
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Post by cougvb on Oct 24, 2006 22:49:46 GMT -5
Gosh Bearclause-a coach who treats his parents and the refs with respect. What a novel idea.
BTW-Wouldn't want my kid to play for Bobby Knight, either.
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Post by cougvb on Oct 24, 2006 22:55:27 GMT -5
Sung to the tune of Oklahoma:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-K-LA-HOMA Where the coaches scream and kick their chairs Santiago cries As the refs cards fly And the veins are bulging in his neck!
Next verse, anyone?
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