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Post by rudepa on Oct 24, 2006 23:04:50 GMT -5
I agree with 38 Skynyrd in his post about emergency techniques for playing up a ball. It is just very frustrating to watch players use these as opposed to making a real attempt to dig the ball. It bothers me that so many coaches teach this as actual technique for digging from an early age on through college.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on Oct 25, 2006 9:44:31 GMT -5
First off, the pancake is one of the absolute worst defensive moves in the history of volleyball. It was never meant to be a regular part of anyone's defensive repetoire, but it got alot of glory for the "coolness" factor of it. Any ball played off a pancake dig never gets played high enough off the floor to run any sort of transition play out of it, unless your setter is about 3'11" and can get under the ball after a pancake to make a decent set. I think the idea is that it's better to have the ball hit your hand than to have it hit the floor. You use it only when you have to, but there are situations where no other technique will allow you to dig the ball. And if the resulting transition play is a bump set to the outside hitter -- well, it's better than nothing. Nice summary of the purpose of the roll there. I'd like to know more about the reasons for teaching a roll vs. a flop/slide though if a coach like JLP is going to insist on teaching it. |
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Post by cardalum on Oct 25, 2006 17:02:31 GMT -5
Rolling is simply a recovery technique. Obviously after a player goes to the floor, a coach wants them back in their base position as quickly as possible and rolling helps this. Whether it's a barrel roll or over the shoulder, rolling does help get a player back on his/her feet more quickly and in balance. A lot of female players don't have the upper body strength to pop back up after going to the floor to play a ball, so rolling helps this (I will back the other poster who said this).
I also agree with what another poster said about players just rolling to roll and not really playing the ball, however a lot of men's players do the same thing, they'll dive after a ball they either miss and just can't reach. I can't ever recall one of my coaches being ok with any player just watching the ball hit the floor and not pursuinig it whether they could play it up or not.
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Post by Chance on Oct 26, 2006 1:06:27 GMT -5
I don't know enough to comment on diving vs rolling, but i dont really like the fact that (it seems like) lots of coaches have a rule requiring the closest player to dive for a ball that lands anywhere on the floor... I'm all for hustle, and appluad a player diving for a ball a few feet past their range, but some of the dive / rolls i see are just stupid...
Diving / rolling at a ball thats clearly out of your reach is a waste of energy, and over time all of those needless dive / rolls could pose a significant injury risk...
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Post by foreignball on Oct 26, 2006 10:52:35 GMT -5
1.I don't know enough to comment on diving vs rolling, but i dont really like the fact that (it seems like) lots of coaches have a rule requiring the closest player to dive for a ball that lands anywhere on the floor... I'm all for hustle, and appluad a player diving for a ball a few feet past their range, but some of the dive / rolls i see are just stupid... 2. Diving / rolling at a ball thats clearly out of your reach is a waste of energy, and over time all of those needless dive / rolls could pose a significant injury risk... 1. I think you worded this better than I did. Add also the fact that this starts at very early ages (and I assume without proper explanation) and you end up with a lot of players who believe hitting the floor is best way to save the ball. 2. Quite a few people believe if one hits the floor she shows no fear, high spirit, commitment, etc. |
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