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Post by southie on Nov 16, 2006 10:29:48 GMT -5
GatorVball and southie are in full dire wish mode. Texas WILL NOT BE A 3RD SEED even if they loose at Nebraska!!! Get that thru your skulls! Florida will be the weakest of the 2nd seeds SHOULD they get a second seed. Florida does not have a win against a top 10 team, has a weaker RPI and schedule. Florida may have to see PSU or a Pac 10 team as a second seed then Nebraska as the overall #1 seed. Any of the #1 seeds would rather travel to Hawaii or Florida before Austin. FYI -- I'm a Texas fan. I just think Texs will get a #3 seed, especially if they lose at Nebraska and finish 3rd in Big XII standings behind Oklahoma. Nothing wrong with behind a #3 seed; the PAC 10 will take 4 of the top 8 seeds, with NU and PSU taking 2 more. That leaves 2 slots open. Wisconsin in playing well. So either Texas or Florida could be dropped to a#3 seed. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Nov 16, 2006 10:30:47 GMT -5
CalHornFan seems to be thinking the same as me. Texas stumbled a bit mid-season but their resume still has that win over #2 Washington. The committee will use that fact to put Texas as a #2 seed (and if they win in Nebraska next week they could even be a #1) in their part of the bracket to make sure Texas reaches their own Regional Final. I was certain that PSU would come to Austin as the #1, but their performance the last few weeks has opened the door to a Pac10 #1 in Austin.
There's one other scenario I could see. Attendance at the Texas regional won't be a problem, and the Husker hordes will travel in the postseason even if you sent them to Oaxaca, but it's possible the committee would want to both ensure great regional attendance AND give Nebraska a better road back to Omaha by putting them as #1 in Austin, Texas #2, and then a weaker Pac10 team as #3. Texas could lose to the #3 in the regional semifinal and the Big12 fans will still pack the stands to watch Nebraska in the final.
Unfortunately there are TWO HUGE PROBLEMS with predicting the Texas/Florida regionals this year. Their names are: Wisconsin and LSU. They will come in as wild cards the committee can put wherever is needed to force the rest of the bracket into their plan.
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 16, 2006 11:51:21 GMT -5
You can add Minnesota and possibly the looser of the USC/UCLA match as HUGE problems as well. Minnesota beat Wisconin in 4 last away. The looswer of the USC/UCLA match will likely get a #2 seed. This years regionals are looking very, very tough. Looking forward.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 16, 2006 11:53:56 GMT -5
You can add Minnesota and possibly the looser of the USC/UCLA match as HUGE problems as well. Minnesota beat Wisconin in 4 last away. The looswer of the USC/UCLA match will likely get a #2 seed. This years regionals are looking very, very tough. Looking forward. Everyone has appeared beatable this year. I somehow expect at least two of the Top 4 seeds will not advance to the Final Four. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 16, 2006 11:57:22 GMT -5
This weekend will tell, but I think the #1 seeds will be:
Nebraska
Washington
Stanford
PSU (if they win out) UCLA or USC if they lose
#2's
UCLA
USC
Florida
Minnesota/Texas
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 16, 2006 12:31:12 GMT -5
This weekend will tell, but I think the #1 seeds will be: Nebraska Washington Stanford PSU (if they win out) UCLA or USC if they lose #2's UCLA USC Florida Minnesota/Texas I think PSU's recent loss to OSU hurt their chances of getting a #1 seed. My thoughts are the last #1 seed is between the USC/UCLA winner this Friday. If Minnesota sneaks in as a #2 seed then Florida is definitely bumped down to a #3 seed. As I pointed out above, Florida has the weakest RPI of the group and does not have against a top 10 team. my take on things.... |
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Post by SaltNPepper on Nov 16, 2006 12:44:28 GMT -5
We read and talk a lot about "what the committee wants". I think sometimes we tend to lump together the NCAA Selection Committee with the rest of the NCAA Volleyball Administration. It is NCAA Volleyball in general that would love to have Hawaii make it to there own regional so that revenue will increase - this should not be part of the selection committee's agenda. Just like it should not be the agenda of the selection committee to place Nebraska in a regional that gives them the best chance of advancing to Omaha other that the chance that they've earned by a fair seeding process.
I don't think that the "selection committee wants" really anything as far as whether Hawaii or anyone else specifically advances because they are holding a regional. At least I hope that is not their intent. There job is to fairly place the teams within the structure of the guidelines and limitations that they are required to work within. We've spend a lot of time on this board in the last few years discussing those guidelines and limitations and how well the committee has seemed to follow or not follow them - that's not really the point I want to make. It is that the selection committee should not really be worried about or wanting a particular team to advance. They need to place the teams as fairly as possible within the rules they are required to follow and whatever happens, happens.
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 16, 2006 13:24:49 GMT -5
PSU loss to OSU definately hurts, I do think if they win out with only two losses, winning the Big Ten, road wins at Tx and LSU they will get the seed. Big Ten has strong influence on these committees, fair or not. In the end it comes down to 1st in Big 10 vs 3rd in Pac 10
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2006 13:29:21 GMT -5
There will be MUCH resistance to 3 Pac10 #1 seeds. PSU really needs to screwup for that to happen -- and credit to them for the effort!
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 16, 2006 13:30:04 GMT -5
GatorVball and southie are in full dire wish mode. Texas WILL NOT BE A 3RD SEED even if they loose at Nebraska!!! Get that thru your skulls! Florida will be the weakest of the 2nd seeds SHOULD they get a second seed. Florida does not have a win against a top 10 team, has a weaker RPI and schedule. Florida may have to see PSU or a Pac 10 team as a second seed then Nebraska as the overall #1 seed. Any of the #1 seeds would rather travel to Hawaii or Florida before Austin. Poor Utah, here they were thinking they were ranked in the top 10, but a horn fan says no. Florida's RPI was 8 when the NCAA released it a few weeks ago. |
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 16, 2006 13:46:30 GMT -5
I have nothing against Utah personally but they just don't have that strength of schedule to be a #2 seed. I wish the NCAA would hurry and update the RPI rating online.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 16, 2006 13:49:41 GMT -5
I'm not saying Utah will be a 2 seed, but you clearly said Florida didn't beat a top 10 team and the AVCA rankings beg to differ. The NCAA won't update the RPI again until the season is over. That was a one time deal.
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Post by JHAM on Nov 16, 2006 14:09:10 GMT -5
OK, I realize that alot can happen in the next couple weeks but I took a stab at the seeds and probably won't have any of them correct but.....
1. Stanford
8. MN
9. TX (host)
16. San Diego
2. Nebraska
7. Florida (host)
10. Wisconsin
15. Cal Poly
3. Wash (host)
6. UCLA
11. LSU
14. OK
4. PSU
5. USC
12. HI (host)
13. UT
4/5, 8/9 and 12/13 could all be flip flopped.
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Post by leadbrain on Nov 16, 2006 14:38:32 GMT -5
Those rankings look pretty accurate. Think Utah though might get some consideration for a 12-16 seed though (only losses to USC and Florida both in 4), probably over Cal Poly (higher RPI). Ohio State might get some looks because of the way they are finishing the season coupled with the win over PSU. Gonna be interesting to see some of the 1st and 2nd round pairings.
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Post by Tex_VB_Fan on Nov 16, 2006 14:57:21 GMT -5
I feel Stanford is going to the Hawaii region but I wouldn't mind if they went to Texas. Stanford was shacky last weekend especially against USC. Passing and defense were nothing to write home about.
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