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Post by 2c on Nov 21, 2006 19:36:29 GMT -5
Arizona is paying the price this season for the recruiting mistakes of the past few years. Many of the highly touted players they recruited haven't panned out as the coaching staff had hoped. Really? I remember hearing a claim that Stephanie Butkus was probably the second best setter in the Pac-10 this season after Courtney Thompson. Better than (let's say) Spicer, Kehoe, Carter, or Carico. The claim was that it was her hitters who weren't getting it done. Of course I couldn't stop laughing. Cal vs Arizona match on FSN/CSTV? Was that McPeak that said she'd be an AA candidate since she'd been one of the top setters in the Pac10 the last couple years? I'm not sure announcers pay any attention to the season whatsoever.
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Post by beachman on Nov 21, 2006 19:47:43 GMT -5
Rubio isn't looking great at this point. They were good last year, keeping Glass and company from looking like big time underachievers, but the year before that, they barely made the NCAAs and lost in the first round. They have been really inconsistent since 2001, and that might not change next year, either. He had the #1 recruit class in the country......what did they ever have to show for that? Just curious you UA spindoctors
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Post by BearClause on Nov 21, 2006 19:57:54 GMT -5
Really? I remember hearing a claim that Stephanie Butkus was probably the second best setter in the Pac-10 this season after Courtney Thompson. Better than (let's say) Spicer, Kehoe, Carter, or Carico. The claim was that it was her hitters who weren't getting it done. Of course I couldn't stop laughing. Cal vs Arizona match on FSN/CSTV? Was that McPeak that said she'd be an AA candidate since she'd been one of the top setters in the Pac10 the last couple years? I'm not sure announcers pay any attention to the season whatsoever. p094.ezboard.com/fprepvolleyballfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=2879.topic
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 21, 2006 20:11:55 GMT -5
Arizona is just one top-notch setter away from being a consistent Sweet-16 team and making another run at the FinalFour over the next few years. But they have 2 on the roster who were top notch coming out of high school. Butkus was rated as the 11th best prospect by Student Sports and a Vball Mag Fab 50. Dyck was rated the 17th best senior by PrepVball. So, either both were overrated or the coaches aren't doing their. 1 or 2 players not living up to their hype, then you can say they were overrated. Year after year of highly rated players underachieving, it's the coaching.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 21, 2006 20:13:34 GMT -5
Arizona is just one top-notch setter away from being a consistent Sweet-16 team and making another run at the FinalFour over the next few years. But they have 2 on the roster who were top notch coming out of high school. Butkus was rated as the 11th best prospect by Student Sports and a Vball Mag Fab 50. Dyck was rated the 17th best senior by PrepVball. So, either both were overrated or the coaches aren't doing their. 1 or 2 players not living up to their hype, then you can say they were overrated. Year after year of highly rated players underachieving, it's the coaching. Agreed. Yet they still keep committing to AZ!!
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Post by roofed! on Nov 21, 2006 20:28:42 GMT -5
Arizona needs to recruit players that can PASS the balls. Sure, they have girls that can bang the balls, such as Glass and Dosty, but they can be rendered ineffective with bad passing all around.
It'll be interesting whether Rubio will teach Dosty how to pass or will she continue to be a non-passing OH. I found it incredulous that she had to be taken out of the passing rotation and that the Opp is instead given the passing duty for the first time in her career.
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Nov 22, 2006 0:29:48 GMT -5
I have to wonder what is going to happen to Katie @ IU after this season. She's great and all, but after a 2-18 conference season last year and almost certain 1-19 this year... I mean, c'mon. IU's a good school, has a lot to offer, maybe not the greatest facilities, but still - they shouldn't be bringing up the rear of the B10 year after year. They last made the tournament in 2002 - that's not _that_ long ago. I'm not one for hoping someone loses his or her job, but what else could possibly happen? IU has a tough time keeping their recruits. Several "starters" in the past quit the team. Some left the school and a couple stayed at Indiana (it is a good school) but quit playing varsity volleyball. That smells like a coach issue, especially if the recruits were signed by the coach and not some previous coach.
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Post by simplycurious on Nov 22, 2006 1:45:42 GMT -5
My first response when I read the title of this thread was - "get fired", then I skimmed the posts here and realized the author was talking about a specific program, not asking a general question. Oh well...
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Post by landon on Nov 22, 2006 10:25:57 GMT -5
actually i was talking about general programs, not a specific program. I'm a UA fan and used them as an example. i like Dave Rubio. and his players like him too. he's a classy coach and very energetic. lots of passion for the game. i was curious if his job was on the line though. and asking opinions from others about all programs. i kind of think it depends on the university and their funds. like at asu, the head coach was suppose to be fired a year into his contract, but they kept him there and will keep him there until his contract is up. other programs are willing to get rid of a coach and pay him off (like football and basketball programs).
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Post by rudepa on Nov 22, 2006 10:51:14 GMT -5
Again, look at other sports. When a team does really well, then starts having really poor years with poor recruiting, the coaches usually end up looking for new jobs.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 22, 2006 13:23:46 GMT -5
Again, look at other sports. When a team does really well, then starts having really poor years with poor recruiting, the coaches usually end up looking for new jobs. I'm just wondering about the players he's getting. I remember in years past he had teams with players (for the most part) could do it all. They had outsides who could do it all and terminate like Lisa Rutledge and Shannon Torregrosa. Dana Burkholder was an elite setter. Marissa DaLee was there before the FF season, but apparently she was quite a find too. Of course Kim Glass had a decent all-around game although she probably wasn't an elite back-row defender. And Jen Abernathy could hold her own back there. I don't see any of the current players being anywhere near the type of player Rubio has recruited in the past.
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Post by aaronic on Nov 23, 2006 6:20:38 GMT -5
Wasn't there a lot of hype about Dosty earlier in the season. She was mentioned in the same threads and posts as Okogbaa and Hodge...?
She seems talented but raw...
Is she even the same person?
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Post by pogoball on Nov 23, 2006 7:23:01 GMT -5
<snip> What happens to these programs when they use to be really good, and then fell off. How do they bounce back. How hard does the coach take it? Just curious. I know it gets better, because Dave made a bad program great once before. If you're Illinois, you wait for 11 years of mediocrity despite being a destination of choice of possibly the richest recruiting area of the nation and a former national power. Then you give the coach a contract extension. Or did you want good advice?
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Post by pnwvb on Nov 23, 2006 10:01:48 GMT -5
Arizona needs to recruit players that can PASS the balls. Sure, they have girls that can bang the balls, such as Glass and Dosty, but they can be rendered ineffective with bad passing all around. It'll be interesting whether Rubio will teach Dosty how to pass or will she continue to be a non-passing OH. I found it incredulous that she had to be taken out of the passing rotation and that the Opp is instead given the passing duty for the first time in her career. Perhaps Mr Rubio will go evaluate a Champions League matches, or AI leagues in Sebia or Poland in the same fashion as USC, UW, or CAL. I must admit not being from this country that the word incredulous is new but is not coplimentary?, but Ogonna was not what I would consider a functional passer and is still not, so perhaps that is what is meant by being incredulous?
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Post by roofed! on Nov 23, 2006 12:07:16 GMT -5
Arizona needs to recruit players that can PASS the balls. Sure, they have girls that can bang the balls, such as Glass and Dosty, but they can be rendered ineffective with bad passing all around. It'll be interesting whether Rubio will teach Dosty how to pass or will she continue to be a non-passing OH. I found it incredulous that she had to be taken out of the passing rotation and that the Opp is instead given the passing duty for the first time in her career. Perhaps Mr Rubio will go evaluate a Champions League matches, or AI leagues in Sebia or Poland in the same fashion as USC, UW, or CAL. I must admit not being from this country that the word incredulous is new but is not coplimentary?, but Ogonna was not what I would consider a functional passer and is still not, so perhaps that is what is meant by being incredulous? Yup, it was incredulous that Nnamani could not pass. A hitting machine, nonetheless. Same with Dosty, a hitting machine who cannot pass. The difference between Nnamani and Dosty is that Stanford surrounded Nnamani with good passers, which allowed the team to take advantage of Nnamani's hitting while at Arizona, the team had been struggling with passing all these years that you can neutralize hitting machines like Dosty and Glass.
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