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Post by bowman on Nov 23, 2006 17:52:22 GMT -5
old question posed again.... we've seen it go south with hawaii, texas, penn state, stanford, cal, usc..even nebraska this year. whats the secret for consistant passing. whats the secret for coaching and improving this fundamental skill...  |
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Post by BearClause on Nov 23, 2006 18:12:06 GMT -5
old question posed again.... we've seen it go south with hawaii, texas, penn state, stanford, cal, usc..even nebraska this year. whats the secret for consistant passing. whats the secret for coaching and improving this fundamental skill... Start at an early age and stress that everyone has to get reps. Players don't even have to be quick or athletic to do it. |
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Post by SaltNPepper on Nov 23, 2006 19:15:47 GMT -5
old question posed again.... we've seen it go south with hawaii, texas, penn state, stanford, cal, usc..even nebraska this year. whats the secret for consistant passing. whats the secret for coaching and improving this fundamental skill... I don't think I would necessarily agree that passing is worse now that in the past - and definitively not with all the teams you mention. I think passing improves every year overall - obviously some teams are better some years than others. I think the "impression" that passing has went south as you put it has more to do with the awareness of fans (especially those on this board) how important passing really is to the level of play of a team. Plus, there are a lot more big time hitters among the top programs today than say ten years ago, so the passing skills have to continue to rise just to stay even. Also, the bigger dynamic hitters are the players the top teams are recruiting - why? Because that's what it takes to win. Now, to support your point, I think in part that has to do with the more liberal substitution rules (which includes the libero and more substitutions than a few year back) which means that there is a place on the court for people that don't pass very well and at times they are in a position where they have to pass the ball. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2006 19:43:17 GMT -5
The reason is because more OH's in college are MB's in club. Club teams are doing a terrible job of preparing their players as all-around players. Couple that with the fact that colleges can only train 20 hours per week and...BOOM.... poor passing rears it's ugly head.
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Post by bowman on Nov 23, 2006 20:09:24 GMT -5
old question posed again.... we've seen it go south with hawaii, texas, penn state, stanford, cal, usc..even nebraska this year. whats the secret for consistant passing. whats the secret for coaching and improving this fundamental skill... I don't think I would necessarily agree that passing is worse now that in the past - and definitively not with all the teams you mention. I think passing improves every year overall - obviously some teams are better some years than others. I think the "impression" that passing has went south as you put it has more to do with the awareness of fans (especially those on this board) how important passing really is to the level of play of a team. Plus, there are a lot more big time hitters among the top programs today than say ten years ago, so the passing skills have to continue to rise just to stay even. Also, the bigger dynamic hitters are the players the top teams are recruiting - why? Because that's what it takes to win. Now, to support your point, I think in part that has to do with the more liberal substitution rules (which includes the libero and more substitutions than a few year back) which means that there is a place on the court for people that don't pass very well and at times they are in a position where they have to pass the ball. i think you're on the money regrading awareness... i for one have recently closely watched where setters are getting the ball in relation to the 10ft line. it's amazing how fortunate the na wahine is this year with KK making ugly passes at least playable.. however, since almost all good tings start with the pass i really don't think coaches would sub in anyone in the back row who can't pass. |
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Post by brybry on Nov 23, 2006 21:17:42 GMT -5
I have noticed that a lot of the top teams are prone to passing break downs. Stanford, UCLA, and USC should be strong serve receive teams but they go into the shank tank every once and a while. We all know Penn State is awful. Washington can struggle w/ passing since Mussie isn't a great ball handler and Miyashiro will have off nights. I haven't seen Nebraska enough this season to judge them.
I think this is a pretty weak year for serve receive. Previous years have had some strong passers. Who do you guys think were some of the best serve receive teams of the top teams of the last ten years?
I say 1) LBSU 98, 2) Penn State 99, 3) Stanford 99, 4) Georgia Tech 03, 5) USC 03.
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Post by bucky415 on Nov 23, 2006 21:46:32 GMT -5
The Wisconsin teams in 2000-01 were also pretty good in that regard. I think part of the passing problems also might be that some coaches were late in realizing that spending a scholarship on a libero is not a bad idea. If scholarships become available for liberos, it might encourage smaller players in high schoool/club volleyball to focus on passing/defense and eventually improve the passing at the college level.
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Post by Lost on Nov 23, 2006 21:56:14 GMT -5
I think passing comes alot from reps and technique. But then there is also that mental part. If a person feels he or she is a weak passer, his/her passes are not going to be good. If he/she thinks on the contrary, then that is a step in a good direction. I dunno what goes on in collegiate women's mind but their attitude towards passing plays a big role.
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Post by holidayhusker on Nov 23, 2006 23:21:42 GMT -5
This is a great quesiton to ponder. How many coaches these days recruit for ball handling skills instead of the ability to put the ball away?? We are striving to become too much like the mens game with players called upon to terminate at will. What has been forgotten by many is fundamentals. I wonder if a Jen Sale would get a second glance these days for a top five team??? Maybe I'm wrong.
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Post by goGopherBill on Nov 24, 2006 8:00:16 GMT -5
a simple answer..and one that I posed when the rule changes were made.
The rule changes trickled downward to high school and club level.
The first few years didn't matter much because they were schooled in passing correctly.
Year after year Passing has become worse..
why? Because the new passing rules let almost all hands balls play...except when that player gets to the college level and suddenly the balls are all hit a lot harder than in high school.
Ooops..we cant pass anymore.
As a 40 year plus student of the game I can smile and say .."I told you this would happen" several yeas ago.
The speed of hits during early development of passing skills are no where near the college level. Its hard enough to teach the college game while teaching the basics to players...
That's why we have some monumental meltdowns....when poise and passing are not to be found.
This game wasn't meant to be easy and everyone wasn't going to be a star.
We all like offense better...so the early development is more on offense than defense.
Pt u.!
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Post by bowman on Nov 24, 2006 10:16:11 GMT -5
We all like offense better...so the early development is more on offense than defense. Pt u.! in volleyball i don't know why pundits separate the two... because of the game flow, you really can't setup the former w/o the latter... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2006 12:19:09 GMT -5
Anyone other than me think serving is tougher/better?
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Post by SaltNPepper on Nov 24, 2006 12:44:03 GMT -5
Anyone other than me think serving is tougher/better? I wanted to mention that in yestersday post, but forget. Absolutely there are "more" tough servers today than there ever has been. |
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Post by Keystonekid on Nov 24, 2006 12:57:25 GMT -5
Coaches are putting bigger, more physical players on the court. If you look at theOH's today opposed to 7 years ago, they are totally different types of players. Where you used to see Tita Ahuna's, Billie Winsetts (ballhandling/attackers) you are seeing Houghtellings, Fawcetts attackers first, ballhandlers second. The jump floater and better jump serves are also factors.
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Post by bucky415 on Nov 24, 2006 13:51:32 GMT -5
I think the let serve has been a good rule, despite the occasional dribbler for an ace. I think teams take more risks serving as a result, which makes the game more interesting. That could also explain some of the serve receive problems, which is a good point that I didn't think about.
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