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Post by hwnstunner on Nov 25, 2006 21:04:53 GMT -5
I HIGHLY doubt that Hittle led the team in kills in any match while she was playing on the right. Take that back ~ I'm certain that was not the case. Hawaii NEVER had a RS that led the team in kills. They've had more than capable players in that position that had the guns to do it, but it just is not Hawaii's style. Diana Jessie, Jenny Wilton, Jen Roberts, Willoughby, and Boogaard all possessed the guns to lead the team in kills from that position ~ but it never happened and never will. After the match on Friday against NMSU, Shoji even mentioned that it was a nice surprise to have Kaufman get some important kills from the RS, but that it is not a role of that position in Hawaii's offense to get kills. When they do, it's just a bonus. Willoughby and Hittle averaged over two and a half kills a game when both were right side hitters. I've said it before and I'll say it again --- yes, the rightside is usually not a terminating option for UH, but if there are capable players on the right, they'll be set. And as far as next season ... I'd want Hittle on the right as well ... ONLY if the L2 next season can terminate. If not, Hittle needs to be on the left. Honestly, Arnott is not a good fit on the right. Her swing is slow, much like Mason. Ideally, right sides need to be quick and explosive. I'm really not sure where Arnott will fit next season. I wonder if she could have been unredshirted this year ... So theres Arnott, Keefe, Kaufman, and possibly Thomas vying for another OH/RS spot. We'll see.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:13:30 GMT -5
I HIGHLY doubt that Hittle led the team in kills in any match while she was playing on the right. Take that back ~ I'm certain that was not the case. Hawaii NEVER had a RS that led the team in kills. They've had more than capable players in that position that had the guns to do it, but it just is not Hawaii's style. Diana Jessie, Jenny Wilton, Jen Roberts, Willoughby, and Boogaard all possessed the guns to lead the team in kills from that position ~ but it never happened and never will. After the match on Friday against NMSU, Shoji even mentioned that it was a nice surprise to have Kaufman get some important kills from the RS, but that it is not a role of that position in Hawaii's offense to get kills. When they do, it's just a bonus. Willoughby and Hittle averaged over two and a half kills a game when both were right side hitters. I've said it before and I'll say it again --- yes, the rightside is usually not a terminating option for UH, but if there are capable players on the right, they'll be set. And as far as next season ... I'd want Hittle on the right as well ... ONLY if the L2 next season can terminate. If not, Hittle needs to be on the left. Honestly, Arnott is not a good fit on the right. Her swing is slow, much like Mason. Ideally, right sides need to be quick and explosive. I'm really not sure where Arnott will fit next season. I wonder if she could have been unredshirted this year ... So theres Arnott, Keefe, Kaufman, and possibly Thomas vying for another OH/RS spot. We'll see. The claim was that Hittle LED THE TEAM in kills from the Right Side. That is just not true ~ not for a season, not even for one match. Show me when Hittle or any other RS for Hawaii was able to accomplish that. On Thomas, I wouldn't count her out for a starting MB position. Keep in mind that when this season started, she passed both Gregory and Sanders for the MB1 position until her injury. Hawaii's middle will be very, very solid.
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Post by roy on Nov 25, 2006 21:15:55 GMT -5
Willoughby and Hittle averaged over two and a half kills a game when both were right side hitters. I've said it before and I'll say it again --- yes, the rightside is usually not a terminating option for UH, but if there are capable players on the right, they'll be set. And as far as next season ... I'd want Hittle on the right as well ... ONLY if the L2 next season can terminate. If not, Hittle needs to be on the left. Honestly, Arnott is not a good fit on the right. Her swing is slow, much like Mason. Ideally, right sides need to be quick and explosive. I'm really not sure where Arnott will fit next season. I wonder if she could have been unredshirted this year ... So theres Arnott, Keefe, Kaufman, and possibly Thomas vying for another OH/RS spot. We'll see. I think these are all very good points. While I agree that Ontineru is too premature to set anything yet, Hittle on the right does make sense. However Ontineru also has that explosive hitting ability so I think either would work. And Hittle as a freshman hit better than Arnott as a sophomore from the right side. However, Keefe, Kaufman, and Thomas do throw some interesting combinations into the mix. It would be hard to keep Thomas out of the line up as she has done a lot improve and push the other middles. Keefe has also shown she can terminate on both the left and right sides. And Kaufman can play both middle and right side if needed. So, even if Otineru doesn't play for the Wahine (which I think is unlikely), Shoji still has a lot of options. The only facet that I think Arnott may have an edge is as a serving specialist. She probably has the strongest serve returning to 2007.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:17:54 GMT -5
Willoughby and Hittle averaged over two and a half kills a game when both were right side hitters. I've said it before and I'll say it again --- yes, the rightside is usually not a terminating option for UH, but if there are capable players on the right, they'll be set. And as far as next season ... I'd want Hittle on the right as well ... ONLY if the L2 next season can terminate. If not, Hittle needs to be on the left. Honestly, Arnott is not a good fit on the right. Her swing is slow, much like Mason. Ideally, right sides need to be quick and explosive. I'm really not sure where Arnott will fit next season. I wonder if she could have been unredshirted this year ... So theres Arnott, Keefe, Kaufman, and possibly Thomas vying for another OH/RS spot. We'll see. I think these are all very good points. While I agree that Ontineru is too premature to set anything yet, Hittle on the right does make sense. However Ontineru also has that explosive hitting ability so I think either would work. And Hittle as a freshman hit better than Arnott as a sophomore from the right side. However, Keefe, Kaufman, and Thomas do throw some interesting combinations into the mix. It would be hard to keep Thomas out of the line up as she has done a lot improve and push the other middles. Keefe has also shown she can terminate on both the left and right sides. And Kaufman can play both middle and right side if needed. So, even if Otineru doesn't play for the Wahine (which I think is unlikely), Shoji still has a lot of options. The only facet that I think Arnott may have an edge is as a serving specialist. She probably has the strongest serve returning to 2007. My guess is that the starting RS will be the player that is the best blocker. The attacking RS will be rotated in as necessary. But, next year's strength is going to be its block (much like this year) and Dave will want a blocker in that position.
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Post by hwnstunner on Nov 25, 2006 21:19:54 GMT -5
Willoughby and Hittle averaged over two and a half kills a game when both were right side hitters. I've said it before and I'll say it again --- yes, the rightside is usually not a terminating option for UH, but if there are capable players on the right, they'll be set. And as far as next season ... I'd want Hittle on the right as well ... ONLY if the L2 next season can terminate. If not, Hittle needs to be on the left. Honestly, Arnott is not a good fit on the right. Her swing is slow, much like Mason. Ideally, right sides need to be quick and explosive. I'm really not sure where Arnott will fit next season. I wonder if she could have been unredshirted this year ... So theres Arnott, Keefe, Kaufman, and possibly Thomas vying for another OH/RS spot. We'll see. The claim was that Hittle LED THE TEAM in kills from the Right Side. That is just not true ~ not for a season, not even for one match. Show me when Hittle or any other RS for Hawaii was able to accomplish that. On Thomas, I wouldn't count her out for a starting MB position. Keep in mind that when this season started, she passed both Gregory and Sanders for the MB1 position until her injury. Hawaii's middle will be very, very solid. My bad, so I didn't read the claim correctly. Find me a link to stats from the 2000 and 2004 Wahine seasons and I'll be glad to go looking around to see if the Willoughby or Hittle ever led the team in kills.
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Post by hwnstunner on Nov 25, 2006 21:24:26 GMT -5
I think these are all very good points. While I agree that Ontineru is too premature to set anything yet, Hittle on the right does make sense. However Ontineru also has that explosive hitting ability so I think either would work. And Hittle as a freshman hit better than Arnott as a sophomore from the right side. However, Keefe, Kaufman, and Thomas do throw some interesting combinations into the mix. It would be hard to keep Thomas out of the line up as she has done a lot improve and push the other middles. Keefe has also shown she can terminate on both the left and right sides. And Kaufman can play both middle and right side if needed. So, even if Otineru doesn't play for the Wahine (which I think is unlikely), Shoji still has a lot of options. The only facet that I think Arnott may have an edge is as a serving specialist. She probably has the strongest serve returning to 2007. My guess is that the starting RS will be the player that is the best blocker. The attacking RS will be rotated in as necessary. But, next year's strength is going to be its block (much like this year) and Dave will want a blocker in that position. I agree. But if that's the case ... Thomas, Keefe, or Kaufman could start. Kaufman and Kamana'o are averaging nearly a block a game and they are really clamping down on the outsides of other teams. Mason and Houston are also putting up a block on the left as well.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:36:18 GMT -5
The claim was that Hittle LED THE TEAM in kills from the Right Side. That is just not true ~ not for a season, not even for one match. Show me when Hittle or any other RS for Hawaii was able to accomplish that. On Thomas, I wouldn't count her out for a starting MB position. Keep in mind that when this season started, she passed both Gregory and Sanders for the MB1 position until her injury. Hawaii's middle will be very, very solid. My bad, so I didn't read the claim correctly. Find me a link to stats from the 2000 and 2004 Wahine seasons and I'll be glad to go looking around to see if the Willoughby or Hittle ever led the team in kills. Hawaii certainly doesn't make it easy to find archived information!! lol Looks like I have to eat crow! It appears Hittle DID lead Hawaii in kills against Fresno State in 2004 getting 22 kills hitting .625 when she earned CVU National Player of the week. She also had a 19 Kill performance against Nevada that year ~ either way that is a significant amount of offense from the RS. While I'll eat crow on this one, two matches doesn't justify the idea that Hawaii will use that option if available. If so, you'd have seen it more often. I'm not ready to give up on it though, I think I'll have to dig up the videotape of the match. lol ..i'm a stubborn old bird!
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 25, 2006 21:37:39 GMT -5
I HIGHLY doubt that Hittle led the team in kills in any match while she was playing on the right. Take that back ~ I'm certain that was not the case. Hawaii NEVER had a RS that led the team in kills. They've had more than capable players in that position that had the guns to do it, but it just is not Hawaii's style. Diana Jessie, Jenny Wilton, Jen Roberts, Willoughby, and Boogaard all possessed the guns to lead the team in kills from that position ~ but it never happened and never will. After the match on Friday against NMSU, Shoji even mentioned that it was a nice surprise to have Kaufman get some important kills from the RS, but that it is not a role of that position in Hawaii's offense to get kills. When they do, it's just a bonus. Did ya pay attention even just a little during the 2004 season? ;D Never say never ..... Hittle led the team the team in kills at least three times during her freshman year (as far as I could tell ... there might have been more occasions). and she was among the team's kill leaders in a bunch of other games... 10/1/04, v. FSU Hittle led w/22 kills the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/01/sp/sp02p.html10/2/04, v. Nevada Hittle led w/19 kills the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/03/sp/sp10p.html10/10/04, v. UTEP Hittle led w/11K the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/11/sp/sp01p.htmlWhile it's true HI has never consistently relied upon the RS, Hittle has proven she can be a threat there. HI needs it, and not just some converted MB who only hits the slide.... During Malin Fransson's senior year, she was also moved from OH to RS, and led the team in kills many a night ....
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:43:55 GMT -5
Ok, more on Hittle. For 2004, while hitting on the RS, she had 685 total attempts in 101 games played. That's an average of 6.75 attempts per game.
Arnott got an average of 11.25 attempts per game. Boogaard got an average of 11.40 attempts per game.
That distribution is not as bad as I would've expected.
Now I'll check on Willoughby in 2000, if I can find it.
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:47:12 GMT -5
I HIGHLY doubt that Hittle led the team in kills in any match while she was playing on the right. Take that back ~ I'm certain that was not the case. Hawaii NEVER had a RS that led the team in kills. They've had more than capable players in that position that had the guns to do it, but it just is not Hawaii's style. Diana Jessie, Jenny Wilton, Jen Roberts, Willoughby, and Boogaard all possessed the guns to lead the team in kills from that position ~ but it never happened and never will. After the match on Friday against NMSU, Shoji even mentioned that it was a nice surprise to have Kaufman get some important kills from the RS, but that it is not a role of that position in Hawaii's offense to get kills. When they do, it's just a bonus. Did ya pay attention even just a little during the 2004 season? ;D Never say never ..... Hittle led the team the team in kills at least three times during her freshman year (as far as I could tell ... there might have been more occasions). and she was among the team's kill leaders in a bunch of other games... 10/1/04, v. FSU Hittle led w/22 kills the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/01/sp/sp02p.html10/2/04, v. Nevada Hittle led w/19 kills the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/03/sp/sp10p.html10/10/04, v. UTEP Hittle led w/11K the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2004/Oct/11/sp/sp01p.htmlWhile it's true HI has never consistently relied upon the RS, Hittle has proven she can be a threat there. HI needs it, and not just some converted MB who only hits the slide.... During Malin Fransson's senior year, she was also moved from OH to RS, and led the team in kills many a night .... LOL .. yup, I ate crow on the post above. How are you able to find these articles so easily? It was a bear for me to find them.
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Post by pope on Nov 25, 2006 21:48:01 GMT -5
My question is, was Hittle getting those numbers of kills playing on the RS? Or was she also hitting from the LS as well? I ask this, because, the UTEP match (according to the stats sheet from that link above), Arnott played 2 games only, Hittle playing 3 games. It also looks like Arnott was yanked from the court and Fotu went in, since Fotu played one game during that match.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Nov 25, 2006 21:52:08 GMT -5
LOL .. yup, I ate crow on the post above. How are you able to find these articles so easily? It was a bear for me to find them. haha yeah i saw that, the direction of this thread shifted pretty quickly in the time it took me to hunt those links down. i basically went here: kulasoft.htohananet.com/volleybows/ and tried to find some box scores... i didn't get through them all, b/c I started to go crossed eyed after a while. ;D
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:54:31 GMT -5
*spits out feathers*
ick!!
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Post by LowVBIQ on Nov 25, 2006 21:55:19 GMT -5
How was the passing when these girls had so many attempts per game? It seems to me that right now Hawaii has a bit of trouble setting the Middles and the RS? What was it like in 2004?
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Post by StuffU on Nov 25, 2006 21:57:45 GMT -5
The question remains ~ if Hittle showed early on that she could be so effective from the RS, why didn't Hawaii use the option more often? After all, that was the year of the Cardiac Keiki, wasn't it? It almost illustrates my point that regardless of the termination ability from the RS, it just isn't a part Hawaii's game plan.
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