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Post by GatorVball on Nov 28, 2006 22:39:14 GMT -5
Are there any in college volleyball? I don't want to bring up the whole Grandmasevic thing again, but currently, there are a lot of foreign players who are playing women's volleyball and a lot of them have ages that do not match their class. Some websites list their DOB's, others used to and have since removed them or they never listed them at all. Rumor has it that a tournament team that has all of 1 American on their roster, has a player who was born in 1979 on the team. I was looking at some rosters of teams I'm not familiar with and thought it a bit sketchy how old some of these players are. Oral Roberts, for example, has 2 sophomores, one is about to turn 23 and the other will be 24 in a month. They are both from Brazil. They are each older than the seniors on the ORU team. How is this possible to be that old and only be a sophomore? I think the problem with some of these schools is they are so under the radar, that no one raises a stink about them, like they would if they were a big name school. Either way, it smells to me. So, back to the original point, is there an age limit and if not, why?
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Post by Chance on Nov 28, 2006 22:44:47 GMT -5
Are you unhappy with this because being older gives them an advantage, because anybody that old has to have violated eligibility rules (playing pro or something), or both? Or is there another reason(s) i left out...?
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 28, 2006 22:45:28 GMT -5
Yes, and no.
There is a rule about losing eligibility after 21. There are also ammendments to extend eligibility for things like religious reasons.
I'm guessing Oral Roberts has these caveats in place. There was a time in the mid-90's when Oral Roberts had some talented kids brought in from someplace and beat a few top 20 ranked teams, including Washington State, I believe.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 28, 2006 22:46:11 GMT -5
Are you unhappy with this because being older gives them an advantage, because anybody that old has to have violated eligibility rules (playing pro or something), or both? Or is there another reason(s) i left out...? Hehe... Gator likes high school girls because they stay the same age. Wait... that's a different ubiquitous poster here.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 28, 2006 22:52:15 GMT -5
Yes, and no. There is a rule about losing eligibility after 21. There are also ammendments to extend eligibility for things like religious reasons. I'm guessing Oral Roberts has these caveats in place. There was a time in the mid-90's when Oral Roberts had some talented kids brought in from someplace and beat a few top 20 ranked teams, including Washington State, I believe. I remember ORU making the elite 8 one year in like the mid 90's. Anyways, the reason I ask is just it seems weird to have sophomores on a team who are older than the juniors and seniors. I know about things like the Mormon mission, but I'm not sure how it works at a school like ORU. They have other players from Brazil and Croatia who are all fine age wise in relation to their class standing. As far as I know, ORU is a christian university, what religious reasons keep Christians out of school for 4-5 years before entering college? I'm asking cause I really don't know.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Nov 28, 2006 22:55:22 GMT -5
As far as I know, ORU is a christian university, what religious reasons keep Christians out of school for 4-5 years before entering college? I'm asking cause I really don't know. Missions.
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 28, 2006 22:58:04 GMT -5
Are you unhappy with this because being older gives them an advantage, because anybody that old has to have violated eligibility rules (playing pro or something), or both? Or is there another reason(s) i left out...? It's no so much that I'm unhappy, I would just like to further understand how these players are still eligible to compete in college. Or, how someone almost 24 years old can be classified as a sophomore. That just puzzles me. I'm definitely not against foreign players, though it seems most of the age issues arise from the foreign players. I think they deserve a chance to play volleyball and get a great education in the states, just like anyone else. UF has had foreign players that really helped put the UF program on the map in Mary's early years. I do think there should be a limit on how many foreign players a team has. When you have a roster that consists of 1 American, something is not right. And I definitely think there has to be some kind of age limit in place or at least a better way to get correct info on some of these players.
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Post by Chance on Nov 28, 2006 22:58:53 GMT -5
Hehe... Gator likes high school girls because they stay the same age. Wait... that's a different ubiquitous poster here. just for the reccord, that's uh, totally not me... What is the rule(s) IB mentioned about losing eligibility after 21?
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Post by GatorVball on Nov 28, 2006 22:59:37 GMT -5
As far as I know, ORU is a christian university, what religious reasons keep Christians out of school for 4-5 years before entering college? I'm asking cause I really don't know. Missions. for 4 or 5 years?
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Post by lilred on Nov 28, 2006 23:14:22 GMT -5
If I am not mistaken, Missouri redshirt freshman setter is 22 and their Jr. OH Na Yang is 25. I believe Stalls is 22.
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Post by roy on Nov 28, 2006 23:20:15 GMT -5
There are no clear cut answers either way. In terms of religion, missions trips are one way that have caused extended years away, however that is more prevalent with men. Military service is also another factor.
And lets all not forget that Stalls of Nebraska also took 2 years off to train with the national team before jumping into college. Husker fans can probably clarify a little more but assuming Stalls finished high school at age 18, she started college at age 20, and is completing her third year now, so that puts her at 23 (or the age equivalent to a redshirt senior). Stalls will have one more year to play after this season.
I have no problems with foreign players because I believe it improves the overall play of the American players and it is good for the players to learn about the culture of a different country. But I do agree that it needs to be kept in check so other schools are not recruiting illegal players and not bringing in American players.
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