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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 22, 2006 19:56:28 GMT -5
Many have bad parents. <---This is a statement I will NEVER retract.
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Post by beachman on Dec 22, 2006 20:35:03 GMT -5
Interesting comments on KG. Different perspectives than what is usually tossed around regarding her style, program, etc. I think that today's athletes are more aware of the power they wield in sports through the recruiting process, official visits, etc. So they are behaving more like football players and blue chip basketball players than female athletes of 15 years ago. Coaches who cannot adapt are destined to fail....all that being said, there is more wrong than right with any program when you have this many transfers in 2 seasons. Let's don't forget the latest new phenomena taking place in the sport.....Kids leaving HS a half year early so that they can participate in the Spring PRIOR to their freshman season actually starting. when you combine that with the "I'm verballing now in the 10th grade crap" you have a formula for problems.....If the NCAA would implement the rule that they have in Basketball and Football that requires you to sit a year when you transfer it might, just might, return some sanity to this process. Sitting around and listening to the parents is like going shopping for a new car.....the PARENTS are looking for the most expensive car at the cheapest price that they can find.....consumers is all that they have become and their kids, you know the ones that all of this has been for in the first place, just follow momma and dadda around.....This isn't always the way it is, but it is far too frequent in this day and age.....where's the draft when we need it!
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Post by inomothanu on Dec 22, 2006 23:33:00 GMT -5
One word for UCSB...Stevenson. Look at the resources at St. Mary's. Kathy has passion and only he can match her on that account.
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Post by kolohekeiki on Dec 23, 2006 8:21:40 GMT -5
Kids leaving HS a half year early so that they can participate in the Spring PRIOR to their freshman season actually starting. Can they actually do this? Don't they have to be enrolled and attending the University in order to participate in training and anything affiliated with their team?
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Post by LowVBIQ on Dec 23, 2006 10:46:57 GMT -5
Kids leaving HS a half year early so that they can participate in the Spring PRIOR to their freshman season actually starting. Can they actually do this? Don't they have to be enrolled and attending the University in order to participate in training and anything affiliated with their team? Not sure how this works, but I would bet that Bearclause knows. I do know that Destinee Hooker did this last year at Texas. She also competed in track (high jump) and I think she even won the NCAA's...
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 23, 2006 11:20:45 GMT -5
Interesting comments on KG. Different perspectives than what is usually tossed around regarding her style, program, etc. I think that today's athletes are more aware of the power they wield in sports through the recruiting process, official visits, etc. So they are behaving more like football players and blue chip basketball players than female athletes of 15 years ago. Coaches who cannot adapt are destined to fail....all that being said, there is more wrong than right with any program when you have this many transfers in 2 seasons. Let's don't forget the latest new phenomena taking place in the sport.....Kids leaving HS a half year early so that they can participate in the Spring PRIOR to their freshman season actually starting. when you combine that with the "I'm verballing now in the 10th grade crap" you have a formula for problems.....If the NCAA would implement the rule that they have in Basketball and Football that requires you to sit a year when you transfer it might, just might, return some sanity to this process. Sitting around and listening to the parents is like going shopping for a new car.....the PARENTS are looking for the most expensive car at the cheapest price that they can find.....consumers is all that they have become and their kids, you know the ones that all of this has been for in the first place, just follow momma and dadda around.....This isn't always the way it is, but it is far too frequent in this day and age.....where's the draft when we need it! You nailed it Beachman. This is one of the reasons why I am not sorry I am taking a year off, I am so sick of these parents, who don't understand the sport, trying to play king maker for their daughters. As for the earlier enrollment, these kids finished their high school early to early enroll, there is no special dispensation, just be smart enough to graduate early.
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Post by beachman on Dec 23, 2006 16:32:28 GMT -5
I understand that they graduated early, which isn't terribly difficult for many of them to do these days given the fact that many VB players just happen to be excellent students. It is just one more indication of the pressure that they get from some programs who want to get them in as early as they can. I still say, institute the "transfer you sit a year" rule and some of this nonsense will stop.....otherwise what will we be seeing, kids verballying in the 8th grade???
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Post by Charlie on Dec 23, 2006 21:03:19 GMT -5
consumers is all that they have become and their kids, you know the ones that all of this has been for in the first place, just follow momma and dadda around..... Beachman pontificating like he actually knows something about this stuff . . . you gotta love it. I run a junior club, and the parents will typically try to help in the process of selecting a college, but I can't remember an instance where it wasn't the player deciding where they wanted to go. And, the players get it right. Invariably, when I ask former players how they like where they are, the answer is, "I love it". But, to comment on the topic of this thread, there sure are a lot of players transferring out of UCSB. When my daughter was looking at colleges, UCSB was one of two schools that we immediately ruled out at the start of the process. Remember, I run a junior club, and I know a lot about (or can certainly find out about) these coaches.
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Post by beachman on Dec 23, 2006 22:14:58 GMT -5
consumers is all that they have become and their kids, you know the ones that all of this has been for in the first place, just follow momma and dadda around..... Beachman pontificating like he actually knows something about this stuff . . . you gotta love it. I run a junior club, and the parents will typically try to help in the process of selecting a college, but I can't remember an instance where it wasn't the player deciding where they wanted to go. And, the players get it right. Invariably, when I ask former players how they like where they are, the answer is, "I love it". But, to comment on the topic of this thread, there sure are a lot of players transferring out of UCSB. When my daughter was looking at colleges, UCSB was one of two schools that we immediately ruled out at the start of the process. Remember, I run a junior club, and I know a lot about (or can certainly find out about) these coaches. Wow, now I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that you "know all" about the D-1 coaches in America.....I guess we should all just shut-up because you are obviously smarter than we all are!
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Post by PierreAmi on Dec 24, 2006 0:46:51 GMT -5
[/quote] Wow, now I can sleep soundly tonight knowing that you "know all" about the D-1 coaches in America.....I guess we should all just shut-up because you are obviously smarter than we all are! [/quote] Well, actually, the good junior coaches DO know more about the D1 coaches and programs than you, a mere fan. The good ones take their responsibilities to the kids seriously, and the choice of school is, for many, the biggest decision made in their lives to date.
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Post by gauchofan on Dec 24, 2006 1:12:16 GMT -5
consumers is all that they have become and their kids, you know the ones that all of this has been for in the first place, just follow momma and dadda around..... Beachman pontificating like he actually knows something about this stuff . . . you gotta love it. I run a junior club, and the parents will typically try to help in the process of selecting a college, but I can't remember an instance where it wasn't the player deciding where they wanted to go. And, the players get it right. Invariably, when I ask former players how they like where they are, the answer is, "I love it". But, to comment on the topic of this thread, there sure are a lot of players transferring out of UCSB. When my daughter was looking at colleges, UCSB was one of two schools that we immediately ruled out at the start of the process. Remember, I run a junior club, and I know a lot about (or can certainly find out about) these coaches. I hope you didn't scratch a program off the list based on 2nd hand info???
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Post by beachman on Dec 24, 2006 17:45:33 GMT -5
Club coaches aren't any different than head coaches from D-1 programs. They all have their biases, preferences, and individual philosophies about how the game should be coached, trained, and played....so what's the point here is trying to make a case that the Club Coaches are the defining entity here. If we have better club coaches we wouldn't be looking at so many kids who are entering D-1 volleyball who don't have the skills to play the game....far too many in that category....they may have talent and athleticism(natural) but there are only a handful of clubs who really know how to teach and train their kids to really play this game....too many are in it for the money.....
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Post by GatorVball on Dec 24, 2006 18:08:24 GMT -5
Kids leaving HS a half year early so that they can participate in the Spring PRIOR to their freshman season actually starting. Can they actually do this? Don't they have to be enrolled and attending the University in order to participate in training and anything affiliated with their team? As long as they graduate early, they can enroll for the spring semester and train and play scrimmage matches with the team, without affecting their eligibility. This is something Florida has done recently with Marcie, Janine and Elyse all coming in early. Of course, it helps that they lived in Gainesville to begin with and that they were all great students. This is happening in football as well.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 24, 2006 18:29:44 GMT -5
Can they actually do this? Don't they have to be enrolled and attending the University in order to participate in training and anything affiliated with their team? Not sure how this works, but I would bet that Bearclause knows. I do know that Destinee Hooker did this last year at Texas. She also competed in track (high jump) and I think she even won the NCAA's... Seems perfectly legal. I believe it starts the NCAA five-year eligibility window a semester or two quarters early. I'm just thinking of some rare case, but it might prevent someone who redshirts a year from participating in Spring matches. I know that's not terribly common, but I've heard of short-handed teams asking a senior to play during Spring. I've also heard of student-athletes who played volleyball for four years and basketball in their fifth season. This would effectively prevent that, since the five year window started a bit early. I think one might be able to get in another sport until winter quarter/semester.
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Post by PierreAmi on Dec 24, 2006 20:51:12 GMT -5
Club coaches aren't any different than head coaches from D-1 programs. They all have their biases, preferences, and individual philosophies about how the game should be coached, trained, and played....so what's the point here is trying to make a case that the Club Coaches are the defining entity here. If we have better club coaches we wouldn't be looking at so many kids who are entering D-1 volleyball who don't have the skills to play the game....far too many in that category....they may have talent and athleticism(natural) but there are only a handful of clubs who really know how to teach and train their kids to really play this game....too many are in it for the money..... Not going to get any better though is it? I doubt there'll be any kind of nationally sanctioned coaching qualification/certification in v-ball. Also doubt there will ever be an overall national philosophy (or style) as to how the game should be played in the US.
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