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Post by usvolley on Dec 25, 2006 14:24:28 GMT -5
I'm sure there are other financial reasons why the team is not moving out of Colorado Springs. Maybe the relationship between USA Volleyball and the USOC has something to do with it. Some of USA Volleyball's income comes through USOC funding.
I'm sure if Logan wants to come back to represent her country she will. I do not see it happening on the beach, so the decision will be up to her.
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Post by brybry on Dec 25, 2006 17:23:22 GMT -5
If the National Team moves back to SoCal it obviously won't be just to lure back Logan Tom. But it would be an added draw. I remember we've gotten into this debate many times before, but it would be in our program's best interest to move to the team to a location where our players will be happier. It doesn't have to be SoCal, but it should be somewhere w/ more appeal than Colorado Springs.
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Post by Shenro on Dec 25, 2006 19:25:40 GMT -5
Spoken like a true Cardinal fan. Logan has sacrificed and given alot to the national team? To put her in the same category as Scott, Sykora, and Mow is just ridiculous. She has expected the team to revolve around her.
Huh? Notice that Tom wasn't directing her comments (about OTC location) at USAV or anyone in particular. She was just stating an opinion about one benefit of having the OTC in SoCal. How is this "expecting the team to revolve around her"? Again.... Huh? How exactly one magazine interview turns into a complete indictment of californian players and fans is beyond me.
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Post by HOLIDAY on Dec 25, 2006 22:12:27 GMT -5
If the National Team moves back to SoCal it obviously won't be just to lure back Logan Tom. But it would be an added draw. I remember we've gotten into this debate many times before, but it would be in our program's best interest to move to the team to a location where our players will be happier. It doesn't have to be SoCal, but it should be somewhere w/ more appeal than Colorado Springs. Have you been to Colorado Springs. It is nestled up against the Rocky Mountains ans is one of the most beautiful places in America. Are they there to train or tan?
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Post by bunnywailer on Dec 25, 2006 22:26:28 GMT -5
Anaheim, Home Depot Center in Carson, ARCO Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista. Be kinda hard to have the team train at ARCO, there, bucky. Especially since there isn't a gym there.
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Post by PierreAmi on Dec 25, 2006 22:26:51 GMT -5
I have stayed at the TC. Its a great facility, but I wouldn't want to stay there too long. The TC at Chula Vista is better, unless you do a cold weather sport.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 26, 2006 14:25:11 GMT -5
Oh great ....another one !! I agree. The idea of moving the center is to "pamper" the players, but to help the damn program. It might be good, it might be bad, but its better than letting it sit and wait for a great player to show up out of nowhere My posts have nothing to do with volleyball players' personalities. I would only like to see the National team do better. and they cannot do better when good players don't want to join.
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Post by PierreAmi on Dec 26, 2006 14:49:34 GMT -5
Anaheim, Home Depot Center in Carson, ARCO Olympic Training Center in Chula Vista. Be kinda hard to have the team train at ARCO, there, bucky. Especially since there isn't a gym there. How hard can it be to build one? They recently completed the softball facility there to go with the field hockey and soccer fields. They have the space and have always planned on having a gym - but like any business , they need the demand before they supply the facility.
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Post by Wolfgang on Dec 26, 2006 15:50:04 GMT -5
You peeps have been assuming that the more "talented" and "coveted" players are more likely to join USA NT if the training center was relocated out of Colorado Springs to somewhere else, like Southern California. Is this a valid assumption? I'm guessing USA Volleyball has to fix something else other than its training location.
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Post by blastingsand on Dec 26, 2006 15:54:13 GMT -5
You peeps have been assuming that the more "talented" and "coveted" players are more likely to join USA NT if the training center was relocated out of Colorado Springs to somewhere else, like Southern California. Is this a valid assumption? I'm guessing USA Volleyball has to fix something else other than its training location. They got to fix lots of things, but they got to start somewhere. Remember the gymnastics team did not medal at Sydney, so they relocated to Texas where there's a huge gymnastics community. A year later, world champions, and next olympics, 2 golds.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Dec 26, 2006 19:31:23 GMT -5
Moving it to Southern Cal would be great..............I just only hope they really do it.
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Post by Gorf on Dec 26, 2006 21:48:37 GMT -5
How much better did the women's national team do while they were training in SoCal prior to the move to Colorado Springs?
They had the Olympic Silver Medal in 1984, however, other than that what did they really achieve that was so much better than the results since the move?
If they were to move back to SoCal how would they overcome the problems they had there the first time that resulted in the move to Colorado Springs?
How do they make having a training center in SoCal affordable now if it wasn't affordable the previous time it was in SoCal?
What percentage of the players since the move have actually made complaints about having to spend time in Colorado Springs for training?
Who does such a move really help and who's going to pay for the move itself, building or leasing a facility for the training center?
What happens if such a move is made and the same players that claim to not Colorado Springs still don't join and stay with the national team?
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Post by donneyp on Dec 27, 2006 0:00:18 GMT -5
I worked for an internet company a few years back. They moved from Yipsilanti Michigan to Menlo Park California. The first order of business was trippling the salaries, trippling per diems, trippling the travel budget...etc. Where did the money come from? Well, the company went bankrupt in 4 months so it didn't come from anywhere.
I'd love to know what happened to the men's team budget when they moved.
Even if it made sense for the men's team, it doesn't mean it will make sense for the women. Most the men's players come out of the west coast, or west coast colleges, with a few exceptions. The women's program is bringing players out of Florida, Texas, Ohio, Nebraska, Illinois, etc. Some of these girls have no ties to the outrageously expensive southern california area.
I could see them moving, and if Colorado Springs is a deterrent to having players participate, then it should certainly be discussed, but I think they'd need to consider several options. Personally, I could see the program in St. Louis, Cincinnati, Austin or a handful of other cities before I can see them going to LA.
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Post by Murina on Dec 27, 2006 1:36:59 GMT -5
The veterans who have stayed with the National Team for more than one Olympics deserve to be commended. The physical and mental pounding they take without a break is amazing. September to May with their club team, then May to September with the national team. They may get a short break in May-June, they may not. The club teams and national teams are training 2-3 times a day 6-7 days a week. By the way, these teams typically practice in the morning before they play in the afternoon! They can see family over Christmas, but about the only other time is if they bring their family members to them.
I wonder what the advantages would be to keeping the NT together in the USA year round? Honestly, I don't see any more medals... To me, team USA's problem isn't teamwork. They just need better pass to attack players. Those need to be developed before they even reach the senior national team.
To me the advantages to keeping players home are off the court - being able to schedule time for them to go home for a week every so often for example. I see disadvantages in lack of variety of opposition. You can't just train for 8 months without playing anyone can you? At least China can compete against their own club teams...
To me, if the USA wants different results, they need different players. The players they need seem to be a couple of years away though (Barboza, Hodge (?), Larson). Morrison and a healthy Richards may be able to help sooner.
It really doesn't matter where the training center is or if the NT practices together for 5 months or 10. If you don't have good enough players, you aren't going to beat anyone.
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Post by mb14dad on Dec 27, 2006 12:30:36 GMT -5
Colorado Springs
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