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Post by beachman on Dec 26, 2006 18:33:30 GMT -5
beachman....what teams played in long beach that had no following....were they mostly cali teams?? Im just kind of throwing this out there...but I wonder what Mary Wise is going to say about it Isnt she going to be the chair of something.....haha im looking back through the threads and cant remember the title U$C has no following.....Washington brought very few fans, very few down to Long Beach....Minnesota brought even FEWER FANS THAN Washington, and Stanford brings maybe 150 at best....This was the first Final Four in over 15 years that didn't have Hawaii, Nebraska, or Long Beach State in it.....unfortunate, but we still put 10,000 in there.....let's see what Nebraska does without the home team playing before we all jump up and build a monument to NCAA Women's Volleyball in Omaha
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Post by beachman on Dec 26, 2006 18:34:46 GMT -5
[i]This is just not very accurate[/i]. First let me begin by saying that I don't want Omaha to own the final four, however, the attendance for the second match was outstanding. There was easily over 13,000 fans left for the start of the 2nd match which didn't start until shortly after 9:00pm on a Thursday night. Now that may not seem late to those on the west coast but 9:00 here is similar to 10:00pm there as it relates to news...etc. Throw in the fact that hundreds if not a few thousand had drives of more then 1 to 2 hours home. Most of those in attendance at the beginning of the second match stayed for the first two games. I would say that there was still 8 or 9 thousands left for the end of the second match which was pretty good considering the time and the fact that the match was a blowout. A few years ago when USC & UCLA played in the final of the regional in Lincoln 2,500 showed up. That's outstanding!!! Sure, if Nebraska had not made it to the final four we may not have had 17,000 but we would likely would have had 15,000 or more. Beachman is rarely if ever fully accurate. I have the game tape of that match and the entire bottom bowl was stll fairly full through the second game. It was toward the mid part of the third game where it was very obvious who was going to win that you started seeing the mass exodus. In addition as someone pointed out, Regionals is very different than the Final Four. And finally, when the time comes and if the Huskers should happen to NOT be there in 2008, the metric or standard we need to hold Nebraska to is the 11000+ that showed up in Madison Wisconsin without Wisconsin being there. I think that is attainable. I got the tape too slickems, and after game 2 the place looked absolutely empty......go get your eyes checked!
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Post by jgrout on Dec 26, 2006 18:49:08 GMT -5
As a side question, how does Nebraska sell their tickets for regionals? Is it a package deal or is it individual tickets? Does a person need to buy tickets for both nights or can they buy for individual nights? The NCAA policy applies at all tournament levels from subregional to Final Four.... and that is no single-day sales before match day. Given how few sold-out matches there have been over the tournament's history, the main reason to buy in advance has been to get better seats... not to be sure that one gets a seat. In Omaha, there probably needs to be a ticket lottery to prevent the flagrant scalping that went on this year.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Dec 26, 2006 19:15:41 GMT -5
I'm really not interested in discussing this from a "Omaha as a Permanent Final Four" standpoint since that really doesn't seem like an option from everything that is being said by anyone associated with the NCAA and the process of selecting yet to be named future sites - and I think that is good for volleyball.
However, as far as 2008 is concerned, it seems to me that they have already indicated that changes may need to be made in ticket distribution so that volleyball fans from around the country can have an opportunity to attend - not just Husker fans, AVCA members and a few fans from participating schools. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that 2008 will be a sellout long before the season ever begins. So from a monetary standpoint for the NCAA, 2008 in Omaha will be a success - that's practically a guarantee.
The only real question is how many of those tickets will stay in state to Husker Fans and how many will be bought up by other serious volleyball fans around the country. I think (hope) we will see a trend where more people (not just Husker fans) will make plans to attend the volleyball Final 4 (in Omaha or wherever) whether or not their own team makes it. And if that happens, and Omaha has been a small part in helping to make that happen, then this whole question of how many are going to attend becomes less of an issue because more and more of the ticket holder will be fans of volleyball, not just a team. And I think that will be good for volleyball.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Dec 26, 2006 19:20:56 GMT -5
Omaha, permanent home for the final four...........?
I DON'T THINK SO..............!
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Post by baywatcher on Dec 26, 2006 19:30:07 GMT -5
At the AVCA event lasst year in Omaha only about 11,500 seats were sold, and the upper reaches were curtained off. those high seats were opened up, obviously, for the finals. I imagine they would be sold quickly, but if Nebraska does not make the Final four, those would be tough seats to stomach to watch another team. I think that's the same with any arena, certainly in Long Beach there were thousands of seats in the nose-bleed section that are a tough sell to a non-participating team; you don't knoow that when you buy them, but Nebraska fans are going to be cognizant about Q West curtain seats.
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Dec 26, 2006 19:34:32 GMT -5
I think the only time any vball event in Nebraska would become sold out is if Nebraska was actually part of it. Like the AVCA showcase last season and the FF and Finals that just took place.
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Post by SaltNPepper on Dec 26, 2006 19:41:36 GMT -5
I think the only time any vball event in Nebraska would become sold out is if Nebraska was actually part of it. Like the AVCA showcase last season and the FF and Finals that just took place. Where have you been? This Final 4 was sold out long before the 2006 season started or anyone knew who would make it.
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Post by FreeBall on Dec 26, 2006 19:50:02 GMT -5
We (referring to VT posters in general) must be delusional to think that any past or future Final Four site could possibly compare to the bellwether event held at Long Beach in 2004. Why do we even try?
And, while we are on the subject, what is the NCAA thinking by not considering Long Beach as a permanent site for all future Women's VB Finals?
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Post by lilred on Dec 26, 2006 19:57:00 GMT -5
Omaha, permanent home for the final four...........? I DON'T THINK SO..............! I think this has already been established. I take responsibility for mistitling the thread. It really shouldn't have been a question. I was merely posting an article which gave very good reasons why it should NOT become a permanant site. (by a Nebraska paper, no less) In addition I presented a poll done by the Lincoln Journal Star that shows just how ambivalent the average Husker sports fan is about the whole issue. I mean seriously, having a basketball player coming back for his senior season on a mediocre team gets more votes than having Omaha as a perm. site for the VB Final Four as your top wish for Christmas? Or having your little used fullback get ONE carry in the next game outpolls the VB issue 5-1? That was the point of the article and should put to rest any speculation, future aneurysms (spelled wrong?), name calling and general arguements over the issue.
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Post by beachman on Dec 26, 2006 20:12:12 GMT -5
Look at the thread this way Nebraska fans.....what else do you have to do this time of year anywhere in your beloved state?
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Post by ugopher on Dec 26, 2006 20:26:29 GMT -5
I would love to go to the 2008 FF whether or not MN will be there or not, just as I hope to be in Sacremento in 2007. However, I do have doubts as to if I will be able to obtain tickets or if they will be sold out quickly similar to this year.
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Post by ugopher on Dec 26, 2006 20:27:42 GMT -5
Where were the team sections at Omaha this year? At Long Beach we were stuck in the second level on a corner. Hardly conducive for a great atmosphere for attending fans.
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Post by BearClause on Dec 26, 2006 20:35:33 GMT -5
Where were the team sections at Omaha this year? At Long Beach we were stuck in the second level on a corner. Hardly conducive for a great atmosphere for attending fans. The best way to do that would be to avoid the large pro sports arenas and go for a college gym like San Diego in 2001. I don't mind being packed in tighter if that means more people can see what's going on without binoculars.
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Post by FreeBall on Dec 26, 2006 20:53:45 GMT -5
Where were the team sections at Omaha this year? At Long Beach we were stuck in the second level on a corner. Hardly conducive for a great atmosphere for attending fans. This year the team sections were in the first 10-15 rows on each side of the court and roughly even with the 10-foot lines. Other than being limited to 150 seats in each of the four sections, there was nothing wrong with the placement of the participating team's fans.
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