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Post by gobears on Mar 20, 2007 0:22:28 GMT -5
but I can't apparently remember enough exact words to have SEARCH find it for me.
Maybe 6 months or more ago, there was a post in a discussion on here, I think about Stanford sports, that there is quite a discussion going on, on campus among the campus vips/admin about being really good in sports on the Farm, and if that emphasis is going to be de emphasized some.
Anyone remember or made that post?
There was a serious 10 min discussion on a local radio station today that I heard by 3-4 Stanford alums sportsbroadcasters who have inside connections...that they are asking hard questions of their sources and getting the royal run around from the DIA vips.
While various sports have winning and losing records at any school, and things come and go as to winning in various sports, there was a firm consensus among the 3 broadcasters that there is something going on....
They were saying that the Sears Cup and/or the new football stadium are being waved in their faces that there is nothing changed.....but the consensus was that that was just show.
When Leland left, it seems like to me, that some changes were being implemented...maybe....or since then.
That the minor sports are where the emphasis is now...
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Post by Wolfgang on Mar 20, 2007 1:25:35 GMT -5
I don't mean this in a mean way, but could you rephrase, please. I have no idea what point you were trying to make re. the content of this Stanford "issue".
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Post by Tiruray2004 on Mar 20, 2007 1:27:02 GMT -5
I think he is trying to say Cal now has a chance to win the Director's Cup!  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2007 1:33:04 GMT -5
There has been tension between athletics and academics for quite some time at Stanford. I don't have the post you refer to but it may have come up in conjunction with the announcement of the resignation of former AD Ted Leland, where there was also some acknowledgment that having a big money D-1 football team, with corporate sponsorships and the academic compromises associated with recruiting, might be incompatible with where Stanford expects to see itself in the future. The following article penned by Leland for the Stanford faculty and community in 2003 addressed some of those issues: news-service.stanford.edu/news/2003/november5/vantage-115.htmlStanford Report, Nov. 5, 2003 Vantage Point:Division I college athletics: A crisis of core values At the Oct. 23 Faculty Senate meeting, three Stanford student athletes, Faculty Athletic Representative Ramon SaldÃvar and I supported a series of Faculty Senate proposals that will initiate two important steps: one, endorse Faculty Senate support for a reform effort led by faculty senate leaders from the major football and basketball powers; and two, increase faculty input and oversight of the Stanford University Athletic Department through the Committee on Athletics, Physical Education and Recreation. The Athletic Department commends the senate's vote to approve the proposals for a variety of reasons. The big business/big entertainment model of college athletics is increasingly incompatible with the values and purposes of higher education. The strategic practices now prevalent in Division 1, "big time" intercollegiate athletics can undermine the stakeholders' (i.e., athletes, coaches, faculty, donors, etc.) core value system and core commitment to the academic enterprise in the name of increasingly costly and demanding sports competition. It is difficult within the athletic culture for a single institution or individual stakeholders to unilaterally turn away from the present path that emphasizes ever bigger, higher, faster, stronger, more expensive, more affluent athletic paradigms. Indeed, the faculty senate leaders of the Coalition on Intercollegiate Athletics, or COIA (and their allies, the National Association of College and University Governing Boards), may be able to "break loose" some of the entrenched forces that have supported this escalation and the level of time, money and energy that go into big time intercollegiate athletics. Many of the initial proposals laid out by COIA call for practices and procedures that Stanford has long complied with. For example, faculty committees at Stanford already review the admissions profile of admitted student-athletes. Stanford does not have a separate academic advising system for its student-athletes. Student-athletes do not receive preferential treatment in class registration activities, dormitory choices and student disciplinary procedures, etc. In addition, SaldÃvar, and his predecessors Jerry Porras and Lucius Barker, have been very active in all Athletic Department activities on a day-to-day basis. On a national level, Stanford has also supported many of the COIA initial proposals for many years. We have supported national efforts to strengthen initial eligibility requirements, progress toward degree requirements and public reporting of graduation rates. In addition, Stanford has always supported shorter playing seasons, the playing of fewer games and fewer mid-week competitions. Stanford has supported vigorous cost containment in intercollegiate athletics, and we have significantly limited the commercialization of our activities. Indeed, Stanford has supported, in various forms, a number of proposals that go further than the COIA initial proposals, including freshman ineligibility. The Faculty Senate's willingness to become actively engaged with the faculty senate colleagues throughout the country will serve to energize our long-held preferences. President Emeritus Gerhard Casper made the following comment following our appearance in the 1999 Rose Bowl: "Such a large and successful athletic program unleashes forces that are difficult to keep in check." The Athletic Department fully agrees that this is our biggest challenge at Stanford. The big time college athletic system and its strongly engrained tangible (and intangible) reward system can fundamentally change the values of its constituents. We are, in effect, in a battle between the values of higher education and the reward structure of big time athletics programs. These proposals will, we believe, help "preserve" the very positive aspects of college athletics and the contribution they can make to our students and our campus. Faculty members and boards of trustees, because of their special statuses as overseers of the academy, and because they have not "bought into" the common practices of intercollegiate athletics, may be in the best position to help manage the change in values that is needed. Indeed, if we who believe in college athletics cannot muster the support of our constituencies to change the core values and the recent misguided direction of college athletics, we can predict that over time, fewer and fewer institutions will sponsor athletics because of the incompatibility between the core values of the big time athletic community and the rest of the academic community. In fact, the big time sports model has not been around that long, and it will be difficult, we believe, to continue to ignore the incongruity between the values of athletics and the values of the academy. The Athletic Department and all of us who wish to preserve the very positive aspects of intercollegiate athletics applaud the Faculty Senate's willingness to engage in this topic on the Stanford campus and nationally. We stand ready to assist. Ted Leland is director of athletics at Stanford. |
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Post by gobears on Mar 20, 2007 13:22:24 GMT -5
thanks for info. Sorry I did not make much sense in the original post. I just took at look at it and laughed...really mangled. I am home for 10 days recuperating from bronchial pneumonia and am supposed to be in bed for several days/but after sleeping for a bunch of hours with meds, I was getting bored ....back to bed I guess.
I will resurface in a week or so hopefully with a few more brains working.
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Post by BearClause on Mar 20, 2007 13:37:59 GMT -5
I think he is trying to say Cal now has a chance to win the Director's Cup! "He"? |
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Post by beachman on Mar 20, 2007 15:35:01 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer!
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Post by BearClause on Mar 20, 2007 16:19:21 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer! I don't know if I would revel in it. That being said, I don't particularly like Brooke Smith. I think she often gets away with lifting her pivot foot early on that spin move of hers, and complains mightily when she's correctly called for it. |
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Post by Tiruray2004 on Mar 20, 2007 16:24:39 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer! Ha-ha! Tennessee had too much firepower as they defeated the 49ers 121-86 on Friday afternoon in a first round NCAA Tournament Men's basketball game in Columbus, OH. Guess they should have never been invited! what a shame! What about women's basketball: not even close! |
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Mar 20, 2007 19:36:15 GMT -5
I think Stanford may be waking up to the fact that the Ivy league schools have known all along.
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Post by Tiruray2004 on Mar 21, 2007 1:58:37 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer! Long Beach State will allow coach's contract to expire despite tournament trip sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=ap-longbeachst-reynolds&prov=ap&type=lgnsPoor guy rather program! |
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Post by gobruins on Mar 21, 2007 5:48:44 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer! Beachman - Congratulations on Long Beach's upset of Stanford's Women's Basketball team! Wait - it wasn't Long Beach that beat Stanford??? Oh well, I am sure that Long Beach is still doing very well in the tournament. Wait - you say that Long Beach State's team didn't even make the tournament??? Nice athletic program at Long Beach! |
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Post by bigfan on Mar 21, 2007 10:17:11 GMT -5
You just gotta love the fact that the Stanford Women's Basketball team got upset, AT MAPLES, last night by a team that no one gave a tinker's chance in hell of beating them.....GOTTA LOVE IT seeing the little Palo Alto Primadonnas all sniveling as they walked off the court! GOTTA LOVE IT!!! Sometimes the rich DON'T get richer! Long Beach State will allow coach's contract to expire despite tournament trip sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/news?slug=ap-longbeachst-reynolds&prov=ap&type=lgnsPoor guy rather program! Reynolds OF LBSU knew the writing was on the wall....besides the program is now being investigated by the NCAA for possible violations......one of the assistant coaches was suspended mid-season and did not return. |
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