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Post by farmingfamily on Apr 12, 2007 23:23:29 GMT -5
I still want to know why Beachman is so adamant beach vb is completely out of the question. You'd think w/ a name like Beachman he would be in favor of it. Do you think if his name was Beachwoman he would change his mind?
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Post by cbrown1709 on Apr 12, 2007 23:48:04 GMT -5
If schools have had to change their dates for spring training because of this, what will Nebraska do since their spring trainging time should be up by then.
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Post by twosense on Apr 13, 2007 21:03:16 GMT -5
i would imagine that most schools would lack the funding to start up beach as a part of their program.
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Post by beachman on Apr 14, 2007 0:18:19 GMT -5
STILL NOT GOING TO HAPPEN FOLKS!  Signed Beachwoman! |
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Post by farmingfamily on Apr 23, 2007 11:34:06 GMT -5
Beachandrogyny, Do you have any rationale behind your assertion? You seem adamant but, provide no substance. I'm sure you're brilliant but, "because I said so" doesnt really make a point.
They did play this weekend, so it does exist in some form today. Why couldnt this event grow to 16, 32, 64 teams? Or some regional events and then a national tourney? If CSTV likes the ratings they get from it, they may want to put more of it on their network.
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Post by ugopher on Apr 23, 2007 15:20:39 GMT -5
Won't happen for the following reason:
- not enough programs would be able to offer beach. Most would need to build a facility to house a beach complex and many schools will not be able/willing to spend that kind of money. Also,
- travel expenses. Few programs draw well enough now to support their current indoor programs and beach would not draw the numbers in most programs to support the season. All of which leads to...
- a competitive disadvantage to teams not located in southern California and Florida.
- coaches will not want to give up the spring training time. How do most college coaches feel about the beach game outside of conditioning?
- the NCAA would not allow cross-over which would lead to diluting both the indoor and beach game.
It exists today only because I am sure that CSTV paid the NCAA to put it on as a special event. If the beach program were to continue it would be only as a one weekend special event similar to this. However, if this happened, I am sure the NCAA would need to loosen up the spring play date rule. Silly to have the the beach tournament count as a play date when only two players on an indoor team participate.
Just my uniformed opinion.
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Post by beachman on Apr 23, 2007 15:29:39 GMT -5
STILL.............................NOT GONNA HAPPEN, FOR ALL OF THE EXCELLENT REASONS ARTICULATED IN THIS THREAD!
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Post by mrhand on Apr 23, 2007 15:31:52 GMT -5
STILL.............................NOT GONNA HAPPEN, FOR ALL OF THE EXCELLENT REASONS ARTICULATED IN THIS THREAD! THANK GOODNESS SOMEONE ELSE DECIDED TO ACTUALLY VOICE WHAT YOU WERE THINKING BUT WOULDN'T TYPE. |
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Post by redincolorado on Apr 23, 2007 18:20:48 GMT -5
STILL.............................NOT GONNA HAPPEN, FOR ALL OF THE EXCELLENT REASONS ARTICULATED IN THIS THREAD! whatever. www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070423-9999-1s23colvol.html[glow=red,2,300]The marketing potential of a competition featuring a group of elite women's volleyball players in swimwear was obvious. But Kathy DeBoer, the American Volleyball Coaches Association's executive director, sees the event as kicking off a dialogue about the possible integration of beach volleyball into collegiate sports on a full-time basis. “What I'm hoping this will stimulate is a conversation at the conference level with administrators about getting some slight changes in NCAA rules that aren't terribly costly or that aren't terribly dramatic that would open up some opportunities for experimenting with spring play,” DeBoer said. “The fact that beach volleyball is a distinct discipline and an Olympic sport certainly adds credibility to the game. Let's do this, let's see how it goes and see how it's responded to.” “Part of the major agenda of the NCAA has always been to try to find more opportunities for women to participate in sport,” DeBoer said. “The strongest argument for collegiate beach is it will absolutely expand the number of women who choose to play volleyball.”[/glow] |
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Post by beachman on Apr 23, 2007 18:45:23 GMT -5
STILL.............................NOT GONNA HAPPEN, FOR ALL OF THE EXCELLENT REASONS ARTICULATED IN THIS THREAD! whatever. www.signonsandiego.com/sports/20070423-9999-1s23colvol.html[glow=red,2,300]The marketing potential of a competition featuring a group of elite women's volleyball players in swimwear was obvious. But Kathy DeBoer, the American Volleyball Coaches Association's executive director, sees the event as kicking off a dialogue about the possible integration of beach volleyball into collegiate sports on a full-time basis. “What I'm hoping this will stimulate is a conversation at the conference level with administrators about getting some slight changes in NCAA rules that aren't terribly costly or that aren't terribly dramatic that would open up some opportunities for experimenting with spring play,” DeBoer said. “The fact that beach volleyball is a distinct discipline and an Olympic sport certainly adds credibility to the game. Let's do this, let's see how it goes and see how it's responded to.” “Part of the major agenda of the NCAA has always been to try to find more opportunities for women to participate in sport,” DeBoer said. “The strongest argument for collegiate beach is it will absolutely expand the number of women who choose to play volleyball.”[/glow] Hey, why don't we just change the indoor game to bikinis?!?!?!?! That ought to solve things right.....we don't need no sand! |
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Post by farmingfamily on Apr 24, 2007 10:32:19 GMT -5
Well if the executive director of the AVCA thinks it could be the start of something, well maybe it could be the start of something. There are obvious limitations some schoools would have in regards to playing/training facilities. But the NCAA sponsors hockey and not everyone has ice. The NCAA sponsors rodeo and not everyone has horses.
If CSTV wants to throw money at it I would think anything is possible.
And, Beachwhatever you have yet to contribute anything substantial to this conversation. Although you did agree w/ someone elses observations you still havent added anything relevant. Typing in all caps does not make your lack of substance meaningful. It just looks like you are shouting "BECAUSE I SAID SO!"
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Post by Gorf on Apr 24, 2007 11:16:24 GMT -5
family, BM just likes to say things like "not gonna happen" and "book it" incessantly. That way when he's right the 1 time out of out of 20+ (of that) he can be like one of those TV and Enquirer type "psychics" that tought their amazing abilities at prognostication by citing the relative few times they were actually right while ignoring the voluminous number of times they were wrong. |
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Post by ugopher on Apr 24, 2007 11:53:59 GMT -5
How would expanding to beach increase the number of women who choose to play volleyball? Are we losing a number of athletes to basketball or track simply because beach is not an NCAA option?
Comparing beach volleyball to hockey is a stretch. Unless, floor hockey for becomes an option.
The primary debate would/should be this: Will indoor players be allowed to compete in beach? The answer would obviously be yes. If so, would scholarships be available for beach volleyball? And, would this create an unfair advantage to schools who have the $$ to produce beach facilities?
Sorry, but I see this as a way to move volleyball away from the midwest back to California. I think it would also hurt smaller programs. And, would beach be available and receive the necessary support at the D2 and D3 levels?
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Post by chancelucky on Apr 24, 2007 12:19:16 GMT -5
I have no idea at a pragmatic level, but I'd love to see Beach appear as a spring sport. I think it gives a whole different sort of player a "chance". It's a bit like tennis where some players are good on clay, some on grass, and some on hardcourts. There are also a couple who happen to be strong on all the surfaces. One way to avoid Title 9 issues would be to run the beach season as a Coed sport and thus also give men's volleyball at the college level a needed bump....(though how do you deal with the men's indoor season?)
Distance runners actually have 3 competitions seasons. Cross country in the fall, indoor championships in the winter, and outdoor in the Spring....so 2 volleyball seasons wouldn't be completely foreign territory for athletic departments.
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Post by ugopher on Apr 24, 2007 12:30:49 GMT -5
Perhaps maybe, and just maybe, it would be nice if the AVCA, NCAA, and CSTV would focus on ways to grow the indoor game instead of turning their attention to beach. I know it might be easier to grow the beach game given the AVP but I don't know that it is in the interest of the sport in the long term.
Next up: Arena football at the college level and indoor lacrosse!
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Signed Beachwoman! 
