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Post by avchi17 on Apr 24, 2004 20:42:49 GMT -5
anyone have any updates?
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Post by sponge13 on Apr 24, 2004 21:17:58 GMT -5
Lewis wins 30-20, 30-27, 22-30, 32-30
Barreto 22 kills (.267) with seven digs. Pochopien has 13 kills (.524) with four blocks. Sisk leads Flyers to .271 team attack percentage with 52 assists.
Zbyszewski has 20 kills (.260) to lead IPFW. He also has three aces and five block asssists for 25.5 points. IPFW has 11-4 team block advantage. Daiga has six block assists. IPFW hits .205 as a team (-.205 in the first game).
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 25, 2004 1:57:51 GMT -5
good match, but IPFW did not play well the first two games. Middles was open with little blocking. Lots of great saves and plays. I have to admit, I was a poor sport and yelled at the "up" ref. I felt he did a poor job all night. The floor ref and one of the line refs were good, but both captains received yellow cards, matt and ryan. the Up ref wouldn't even listen to Ryan ask a question and then ARnie Ball even made a comment about a bad call on Lewis. Ref made calls on both sides so it wasn't one sided. IPFW didn't play well the first few games then came around and made things more exciting. Best I've ever seen Greg P. on Lewis play. Enrique came off bench and played well also. Matt Z. was outstanding, even after the yellow card.
I understand that ref called several calls on double hits on the setting, which could have been good calls. ( I didn't agree with the ref during the match, but had some help getting a clearer picture by having it explained to me after) At one point teams went to more passing, seemed to help, but then went after Lewis got called a lift on a very clean hit, they went back to just playing. The guys basically said it didn't matter what they did, they would get called anyway, just tried to make their "releases" quicker.
I should not have yelled at the ref, but I was caught up in the moment. Like I said, 2 were good, 2 hmmmm......and I think most of Lewis and IPFW fans would agree.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 25, 2004 1:59:20 GMT -5
sorry about the run on sentences and whatever....it's very late and I just got home. It was well worth the drive  ) oh, also saw Ptak, but no pecks.....  |
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Post by VBDigIt on Apr 25, 2004 10:28:07 GMT -5
I thought the attendence was low at IPFW. Is this normal? I would have thought there would have been more in attendence. Lloy Ball 6'8" Olympic setter (Arnie Ball's son) was there also.
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Post by diggger33 on Apr 25, 2004 11:40:06 GMT -5
I thought the up ref was ok. He did make a lot of ball handling error calls but most of the were the correct calls. I think that's how the game is supposed to be called, it's just that people aren't used to it being called SO TIGHT... When was the last time you saw a match that had THIRTEEN ball handling errors?? That's almost half a games worth of points... He was too involved in the match and he had too much affect on the outcome of the match. It was like he was calling an international level match at the college level, although I think international refs are pretty loose... When you call ball handling THAT tight, people will expect everthing else to be really tight... Anyway, the IPFW middles were pretty much non-existent the whole match. Couldn't get a kill, couldn't block, both middles serve like wusses...the OHs besides Matty were terrible also. The libero was below average... All that said, Lewis played much much better than the last time they were at IPFW. The hit a lot better and definitely served better. IPFW's weakness all season has been passing and it really killed them tonight. For some reason, IPFW served Stuntz quite a bit which is a mistake.... got two other options to serve and they chose to serve the best passer on Lewis.... I can't see Lewis getting out of the MIVA. I think they are the weakest left in the tournament. The semis and finals should be pretty good. Was the linesperson on the UP official side the one that sucked eariler in the year? Yeah I am pretty sure that benwhipdrofn is talking about that linesperson...the guy with the glasses. He is pretty awful. He is a Jr. High VB official..... that's a high a level of VB he has done. good match, but IPFW did not play well the first two games. Middles was open with little blocking. Lots of great saves and plays. I have to admit, I was a poor sport and yelled at the "up" ref. I felt he did a poor job all night. The floor ref and one of the line refs were good, but both captains received yellow cards, matt and ryan. the Up ref wouldn't even listen to Ryan ask a question and then ARnie Ball even made a comment about a bad call on Lewis. Ref made calls on both sides so it wasn't one sided. IPFW didn't play well the first few games then came around and made things more exciting. Best I've ever seen Greg P. on Lewis play. Enrique came off bench and played well also. Matt Z. was outstanding, even after the yellow card. I understand that ref called several calls on double hits on the setting, which could have been good calls. ( I didn't agree with the ref during the match, but had some help getting a clearer picture by having it explained to me after) At one point teams went to more passing, seemed to help, but then went after Lewis got called a lift on a very clean hit, they went back to just playing. The guys basically said it didn't matter what they did, they would get called anyway, just tried to make their "releases" quicker. I should not have yelled at the ref, but I was caught up in the moment. Like I said, 2 were good, 2 hmmmm......and I think most of Lewis and IPFW fans would agree. |
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 25, 2004 12:41:39 GMT -5
yes it was the line judge by the "up" ref. One specific call was clearly about a foot outside (it was close to the "c" in comcast) and he called it in. And there was a few calls that were not even on his line that the opposite line judge (that was covering the line) had called either in or out and the up ref sided with the poor line judge and overruled the correct one. This did happen to both teams. I believe what set me over the edge was when he would not even listen to Ryan Stuntz ask a question if a ball rolled up the arm to justify a lift call and when he over ruled the line judge whose line it was to cover. I spoke to Ryan S after the game and he said that he knew he had double contact on one ball, but the second he was very careful on and made a quick release and still got called on it. He said that he felt the up ref called him more on the spin of the ball than on the contact itself. He said the ball was so wet on a good rally, that he was trying to tell his team to not set because you couldn't handle it without slipping. You may be right on some of the double contact calls, which ok, I'll give in, but the other calls made the match so inconsistent. I felt that with Matt Z getting the yellow card so early in the match, it let the air out of IPFW early and it took them a while to really get into the match. I do once again say I am sorry, I should not have been so vocal to the ref, it was a poor example, which I've already spoken to my daughter about not doing ) I am happy for Lewis, they have had to fight for every victory that they have had this year and they did earn that one. I wonder if a rule could be added to giving the floor ref ability to make the "lift or double contact" call when it in not in plain view of the UP ref. There has been at least 4 times this year I've seen that happen. I've seen it happen in high school ball too and the floor ref has given the up ref a look like, it was good. Occassionally the up ref choose to replay, which was wise. I understand the different jobs of the refs, but when one can't see clearly, there should be a way to judge this properly. |
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Post by diggger33 on Apr 26, 2004 11:20:22 GMT -5
Just wondering what route did you take? yes it was the line judge by the "up" ref. One specific call was clearly about a foot outside (it was close to the "c" in comcast) and he called it in. And there was a few calls that were not even on his line that the opposite line judge (that was covering the line) had called either in or out and the up ref sided with the poor line judge and overruled the correct one. This did happen to both teams. I believe what set me over the edge was when he would not even listen to Ryan Stuntz ask a question if a ball rolled up the arm to justify a lift call and when he over ruled the line judge whose line it was to cover. I spoke to Ryan S after the game and he said that he knew he had double contact on one ball, but the second he was very careful on and made a quick release and still got called on it. He said that he felt the up ref called him more on the spin of the ball than on the contact itself. He said the ball was so wet on a good rally, that he was trying to tell his team to not set because you couldn't handle it without slipping. You may be right on some of the double contact calls, which ok, I'll give in, but the other calls made the match so inconsistent. I felt that with Matt Z getting the yellow card so early in the match, it let the air out of IPFW early and it took them a while to really get into the match. I do once again say I am sorry, I should not have been so vocal to the ref, it was a poor example, which I've already spoken to my daughter about not doing ) I am happy for Lewis, they have had to fight for every victory that they have had this year and they did earn that one. I wonder if a rule could be added to giving the floor ref ability to make the "lift or double contact" call when it in not in plain view of the UP ref. There has been at least 4 times this year I've seen that happen. I've seen it happen in high school ball too and the floor ref has given the up ref a look like, it was good. Occassionally the up ref choose to replay, which was wise. I understand the different jobs of the refs, but when one can't see clearly, there should be a way to judge this properly. |
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Post by Beachy on Apr 26, 2004 12:04:51 GMT -5
The down ref can and should indicate to the up ref when they observe a lift. If you watch the down ref, you can see them make a lift motion with their hand but they should not blow the whistle. Too many whistles will cause chaos on the court. The up ref can decide if his/her vision was blocked , they can make a lift call based on the down ref's advice. The down ref should also indicate when they observe a touch, 4-hits, etc. that the up ref will decide to call. The motion that the down ref makes will be very subtle because all the coaches will jump on their case so you really have to watch closely.
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 26, 2004 14:03:10 GMT -5
I saw some of what the down ref was doing, but on this call, I didn't see what he did, but he did turn his back to tell the stat person what number and he didn't look happy. I don't think he made that call. Like I said earlier, even A. Ball made a comment to the down ref and he shook his head like, he understood.
AND digger, I took your route and found it easily, thank you. after the game, I just followed the Lewis bus back out of town.
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Post by hellafella on Apr 26, 2004 15:08:48 GMT -5
I wasn't there so I can't speak to the calls made during the match, but I am not surprised that someone finally called Sisk on some chucks.
benwhipd,
Based on what you saw the other night, do you think Lewis can pull off some upsets and win the MIVA?
this year is about as wide open as you could hope for in the conference. I just might have to get CSTV going to make sure I see the finals.
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Post by diggger33 on Apr 26, 2004 16:47:18 GMT -5
I think Lewis can win the MIVA. IPFW played strategically poor. Not picking on the weak passers and not stopping the middle and not getting any offense from the middles. I think Loyola matches up well against Lewis.... Only team I haven't seen this year is OSU. BSU can win the MIVA but I think Lewis may have an advantage over the other 3 teams having played a tougher quarter simply because they are all geared up and ready to rock. FYI Sisk really has the worst hands in the MIVA..... I wasn't there so I can't speak to the calls made during the match, but I am not surprised that someone finally called Sisk on some chucks. benwhipd, Based on what you saw the other night, do you think Lewis can pull off some upsets and win the MIVA? this year is about as wide open as you could hope for in the conference. I just might have to get CSTV going to make sure I see the finals. |
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 26, 2004 17:56:24 GMT -5
Lewis has beat OSU in the past and if they all play well, yes I think they can. Will they, I love the guys, but I don't think they will be able to pull it off. I think Loyola rattles them. But then again, anything is possible, they haven't beat Loyola and they are due for a big win, so maybe. IPFW just played very poorly and Lewis played very well. Lewis has trouble with Loyola's middles and Loyola blocks our middles well. By the way, Soler did not play that well against IPFW, he does play well against Loyola, he does not get rattled from them. The last time Loyola and Lewis faced each other, Soler didn't play well, but also immediately after the match was x-rayed for what they thought might have been a fractured arm. He turned out to be ok, but his arm was swollen and he played very cautiously. The ref was calling everyone of the double hits, not just Sisk, but when it comes to Sisk, this could be a Deuser project in the works. He spent some time with Soler and that paid off, so who knows where Sisk will take them. (I'm trying to be positive and very, very optimistic) The kid is a great kid, really nice and I've seen him set well, just not often. I can't imagine being in his shoes, taking over for JR has been huge and the thought of any day he might be back on the bench I'm sure is nerve racking. I'd like to see another setter in there, but sometimes you just need to take some time and develope what you have. Remember I'm trying to be positive. ) |
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Post by BruinBoy on Apr 27, 2004 1:04:19 GMT -5
Well I obviously wasn't at the Lewis/IPFW match, so I can't say if the ref was good or bad, but I saw Sisk set at UCLA, and from what I know of his injury, his thumb has to be totally immobalized to prevent further injury. Have any of you ever tried to set with one of your thumbs totally restricted, and some big wrap and soft cast around your thumb? Try it! The fact that the guy has set the whole season with the injury he has, and led Lewis to the wins he has is amazing. None of this has anything to do with how little setting experience he had before this season. I think that Sisk and the Lewis coaching staff have worked miracles with the guy, and their team, considering what the NCAA has done to them and the hand they have been delt. No other team in the MIVA could have lost their starting setter and pulled off the season that Lewis has pulled off already. I hope they win the midwest again. I said it before and I'll say it again, Lewis is the only real program outside the MPSF. But they won't be able to pull off the Championship again this year like they did last year. They don't have the experience or the fire power without Meyer, and Martins. I wish them the best though.
Later
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Post by benwhipdrofn on Apr 27, 2004 20:19:44 GMT -5
I think I remember his hurting his hand in a match. Was it the match that he slid into the bleachers and Ryan S. had to go and pick up the front of the bleachers to get his hand out. I think that was also the match that Sisk used his face as a block, it was wicked and it looked like it hurt like....well...you know.
I agree with Bruin, and I'm sure I"m going to get it for saying, but what Lewis has accomplished has been amazing. I'm looking forward to next season already.
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