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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2007 14:02:08 GMT -5
How many freshmen are spectacular -- especially setting? I'm impressed she was their starter. Seems like that speaks volumes for her talent?
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Post by silversurfer on May 17, 2007 14:07:28 GMT -5
It'll be interesting to see if Haley changes his offense to hit Carico's style. She's not really a slow-tempo setter. Haley doesn't need a superstar setter in his system. Dillon, Anderson, Freeburg, Lindquist, are all really good setters, but not superstars.
I've seen Carico be just another player on the floor, but then when she's good, she's the deciding factor in the match.
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Post by mysharona on May 17, 2007 14:18:57 GMT -5
A question about Taylor Carico.... Do the folks on this board really think she is really all that good? I saw 3 USC matches last season. While I love to watch her hit on the second ball, I thought her set tempo and location were horrible. Is this just a by-product of her switching to the big slow girl volleyball that Haley likes to run?.... or did I just happen to see her in 3 bad matches?... or is it something else entirely? I'm sure there are people on this board that have seen her play a lot more than I have. What are your thoughts? I don't know if I could add anymore insight, but I've seen a couple SC games, and I agree, I expected a lot more from the Andi Collins award recipient. True, she is lethal when she's live in the front and hits on 2 (a term I believe they've dubbed the '310 kill'). But in the games I've seen, IMO, she didn't do a great job of mixing up the offense, and became quite predictable. I'm thinking it's just freshmen jitters, and after a year of experience, hope to see a lot more from her come season. I wouldn't be surprised if she made the JNT.
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Post by Gelatinous Mass on May 17, 2007 14:19:31 GMT -5
Carico is a great athlete and can probably do whatever is needed. She has run that slower high-ball offense for a while now. TCA ran high outside sets when she was a senior and at Mira Costa Klineman liked the high ball too...but she can run quick to the MB or whatever is needed. She hasn't played all that much at the Intl level, she has been on a few teams but was always behind another setter....maybe it's her time now.
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Post by roofed! on May 17, 2007 15:15:06 GMT -5
From my perspective, Carico is the most exciting setter to come to USC in a long time. Before the start of the 2006 season, I was apprehensive about the team, but after watching them at a preseason tournament in Lyon Center, I felt that the team could do pretty well (compare to the 2005 season).
When you compare Carico (in her freshman year) to the setting duo of Anderson and Lindquist, one tends to think of the latter during their junior/senior seasons when they really developed into consistent setters. For me, Anderson really showed her stuffs in her senior season when she took over the 5-1 system late in the season and ran a very effective offensive system. But keep in mind too that Lindquist and Anderson had strong passers on the team with April Ross, Keao Burdine and Nicole Davis. There were far and few errand passes that would make the setters scrambling all over the court. Also, they had strong hitters (Ross, Burdine, Emily Adams, Bibiana Candelas and Katie Olsovsky) that could take any sets coming their way, even less than perfect ones.
Compare Anderson/Lindquist scenario (strong passers and hitters) to Carico who had to deal with inconsistent OHs (Copenhagen, who was converted from MB/Opp, and Gysin, who was returning after 2 seasons of injury) both in passing and hitting. It didn't help that the MBs were struggling as well. Johansen started the season strong but she became slower and more tired as the season progressed. Both Bishop and Tennant were not consistent, and Haley had to flip coins to decide who get to start -- mostly 50/50 as one would start on friday match while the other would get the Saturday match. USC really missed the MB duo of Adams and Candelas where you can set them high balls and they used their height and high arm reach advantage to slam down kills over the opposing blocks. The only hitter Carico could rely upon was Kaczor.
Freeburg and Dillon took over the setting duties in 2004 but the team still had good passing in Burdine, Seilhamer and Florian, and Burdine, Adams and Candelas could take any sets and still get the kills. Freeburg's setting remained inconsistent and Dillon was a major liability in front row, and both got passed by Siljegovic for the 2005 season.
At the start of the 2006 season, I was sitting in front of Dillon's dad and he was talking to a friend who noted that Carico was the starter. Dillon's dad response was that Carico is going to be a great setter. Even Dillon's dad saw the upside potential in Carico that surpassed his daughter's.
I think for Carico to really be able to run the team effectively, the OHs and MBs need major upgrade. Copenhagen and Gysin have to be more consistent, both for their passing and hitting. Neither players are great leapers, and both struggled to hit high over the blocks and have had to rely on seam and crosscourt shots (their line shots were pretty inconsistent too). The MBs need to be more athletic and hit a variety of shots and hitting patterns. Also, I believe Carico will be able to take the leadership of the team more effectively this coming season. Last season, she was on the court while the captains of the team were the senior setters (Freeburg and Dillon) who were sitting on the bench. It wouldn't surprise me if she becomes one of the captains in 2007 (the other candidate whom I see taking the leadership position is Copenhagen).
One thing that I like about Carico (over Freeburg and Dillon) is that she has a better anticipation of bad passings and was quick to get under the balls to overhand set. More often, Freeburg would scramble late and bump set instead.
So I think Carico's ability to really show her stuffs depends on what her passers and hitters are capable of doing. It will be interesting to see how she performs with the JNT team. I only hope that she remains healthy and injury-free all through the summer and fall, as otherwise, USC will be in a very tight situation.
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Post by farmwatcher on May 17, 2007 15:54:07 GMT -5
roofed: You advocate well for Taylor, but I don't think anyone blames a setter for their hitters being inconsistent, as the USC hitters were this last season. That is not the setters fault. What I saw, and I think reflected by another post, was that her location was not as spot on as some of the other Pac-10 setters, and sometimes her decisions seemed poor. Maybe that was direction from Mick, but there were a few times that he pulled her out for a chat because she had set right into double blocks when another set would have given her hitters a more open net. Hopefully a year of experience will help her in this regard. No doubt she is a hustler and a leader on the floor and will provide good experience and a calm set of hands for the JNT this year.
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Post by brybry2 on May 17, 2007 19:52:33 GMT -5
From my perspective, Carico is the most exciting setter to come to USC in a long time. Before the start of the 2006 season, I was apprehensive about the team, but after watching them at a preseason tournament in Lyon Center, I felt that the team could do pretty well (compare to the 2005 season). When you compare Carico (in her freshman year) to the setting duo of Anderson and Lindquist, one tends to think of the latter during their junior/senior seasons when they really developed into consistent setters. For me, Anderson really showed her stuffs in her senior season when she took over the 5-1 system late in the season and ran a very effective offensive system. But keep in mind too that Lindquist and Anderson had strong passers on the team with April Ross, Keao Burdine and Nicole Davis. There were far and few errand passes that would make the setters scrambling all over the court. Also, they had strong hitters (Ross, Burdine, Emily Adams, Bibiana Candelas and Katie Olsovsky) that could take any sets coming their way, even less than perfect ones. Compare Anderson/Lindquist scenario (strong passers and hitters) to Carico who had to deal with inconsistent OHs (Copenhagen, who was converted from MB/Opp, and Gysin, who was returning after 2 seasons of injury) both in passing and hitting. It didn't help that the MBs were struggling as well. Johansen started the season strong but she became slower and more tired as the season progressed. Both Bishop and Tennant were not consistent, and Haley had to flip coins to decide who get to start -- mostly 50/50 as one would start on friday match while the other would get the Saturday match. USC really missed the MB duo of Adams and Candelas where you can set them high balls and they used their height and high arm reach advantage to slam down kills over the opposing blocks. The only hitter Carico could rely upon was Kaczor. Freeburg and Dillon took over the setting duties in 2004 but the team still had good passing in Burdine, Seilhamer and Florian, and Burdine, Adams and Candelas could take any sets and still get the kills. Freeburg's setting remained inconsistent and Dillon was a major liability in front row, and both got passed by Siljegovic for the 2005 season. At the start of the 2006 season, I was sitting in front of Dillon's dad and he was talking to a friend who noted that Carico was the starter. Dillon's dad response was that Carico is going to be a great setter. Even Dillon's dad saw the upside potential in Carico that surpassed his daughter's. I think for Carico to really be able to run the team effectively, the OHs and MBs need major upgrade. Copenhagen and Gysin have to be more consistent, both for their passing and hitting. Neither players are great leapers, and both struggled to hit high over the blocks and have had to rely on seam and crosscourt shots (their line shots were pretty inconsistent too). The MBs need to be more athletic and hit a variety of shots and hitting patterns. Also, I believe Carico will be able to take the leadership of the team more effectively this coming season. Last season, she was on the court while the captains of the team were the senior setters (Freeburg and Dillon) who were sitting on the bench. It wouldn't surprise me if she becomes one of the captains in 2007 (the other candidate whom I see taking the leadership position is Copenhagen). One thing that I like about Carico (over Freeburg and Dillon) is that she has a better anticipation of bad passings and was quick to get under the balls to overhand set. More often, Freeburg would scramble late and bump set instead. So I think Carico's ability to really show her stuffs depends on what her passers and hitters are capable of doing. It will be interesting to see how she performs with the JNT team. I only hope that she remains healthy and injury-free all through the summer and fall, as otherwise, USC will be in a very tight situation. I agree that it was a tough role for Carico to step in as a freshman and have to deal w/ inconsistent passers/hitters. I also agree w/ what a lot of other posters stated about her set location. It's a bit shaky at times. The tempo and predictability of the offense must fall on Mick's shoulders though. It might have been a good move. Carico might just need time to grow into being a strong setter. I disagree w/ the assessment on Toni Anderson. She already entered in w/ a ton of poise as a freshman. She was always very solid but indeed she had a very good senior year.
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Post by Ye Olde Dawg on May 19, 2007 0:55:16 GMT -5
But I think most Pac-10 observers would have ranked her no better than 4th in the conference as a setter, at best.... Come to think of it though, being fourth best last year in a conference with Thompson, Kehoe and Spicer does not exactly diminish one's standing. Actually in terms of assists per game she was fifth in the Pac-10 and 44th in the country -- but as a freshman that's hardly a poor performance. She is fun to watch because because she does some things differently as setter than nearly everyone else. So there's room for improvement. There's also plenty of time and lots of potential in her.
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Post by cruncher on May 19, 2007 12:15:30 GMT -5
Speaking of Spicer, where is she in this mix? Is she too old or not interested?
I would echo most of the sentiment on Carico - she has tons of upside and may thrive in a faster offense. It was a thing of beauty to see Seilhamer overhand pass a free ball close to the net so Carico could whip the 310 bomb. Her serve will also need to get tougher for int'l level competition.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2007 18:02:30 GMT -5
Final 12 are: Dosty, Klineman, Engle, Carico, Murphy, Ward, Lichtman, Roleder, Gibbemeyer, Garrett, Mueller and one more I can't remember. Doris?
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Post by cbrown1709 on May 20, 2007 18:11:00 GMT -5
here is the list: www.usavolleyball.org/VolleyballNews/news.asp?id=1578Taylor Carico (S, 5-11, Manhattan Beach, Calif., 2006, University of Southern California) Jennifer Doris (MB, 6-5, Houston, Texas, 6-5, Willowbrook) Whitney Dosty (OH/MB, 6-3, Tucson, Ariz., 2007, University of Arizona) Ashley Engle (S, 6-3, Yorba Linda, Calif., 2006, University of Texas) Zoe Garrett (MB, 6-3, Laguna Beach, Calif., 2007, Mizuno Long Beach) Lauren Gibbemeyer (MB, 6-2, St. Paul, Minn., 2007, Northern Lights) Alix Klineman (OH, 6-5, Manhattan Beach, Calif., 2007, Mizuno Long Beach) Tara Mueller (L/OH, 6-0, Scottsdale, Ariz., 2007, Club Red) Kelly Murphy (S, 6-3, Wilmington, Ill., 2008, Sports Performance) Kimberlee Roleder (OH, 6-1, Pasadena, Calif., 2007, Point West) Colleen Ward (OH, 6-2, Naperville, Ill., 2008, Sports Performance)
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Post by cbrown1709 on May 20, 2007 18:11:30 GMT -5
But there are only 11 and you mentioned Lichtman, did she make it?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2007 18:24:51 GMT -5
This is what I received:
2007 U.S. Women's Junior National Training Team Roster
Name (Position, Height, Hometown, HS Grad Year, Club/School)
Taylor Carico (S, 5-11, Manhattan Beach, Calif., 2006, University of Southern California) Jennifer Doris (MB, 6-5, Houston, Texas, 6-5, Willowbrook) Whitney Dosty (OH/MB, 6-3, Tucson, Ariz., 2007, University of Arizona) Ashley Engle (S, 6-3, Yorba Linda, Calif., 2006, University of Texas) Zoe Garrett (MB, 6-3, Laguna Beach, Calif., 2007, Mizuno Long Beach) Lauren Gibbemeyer (MB, 6-2, St. Paul, Minn., 2007, Northern Lights) Alix Klineman (OH, 6-5, Manhattan Beach, Calif., 2007, Mizuno Long Beach) Cassidy Lichtman (L/OH, 6-1, Poway, Calif., 2007, San Diego VBC) Tara Mueller (L/OH, 6-0, Scottsdale, Ariz., 2007, Club Red) Kelly Murphy (S, 6-3, Wilmington, Ill., 2008, Sports Performance) Kimberlee Roleder (OH, 6-1, Pasadena, Calif., 2007, Point West) Colleen Ward (OH, 6-2, Naperville, Ill., 2008, Sports Performance) Head Coach: Andy Banachowski (Culver City, Calif.) Assistant Coach: Karrie Larsen (Fort Collins, Colo.) Assistant Coach: Ted Wade (Austin, Texas) Training Coach: Daryl Tamashiro (Waipahu, Hawai'i)
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Post by roofed! on May 20, 2007 18:39:34 GMT -5
Great to see 3 Trojans on that list, and more importantly Garrett and Roleder getting familiar with Carico's setting during the summer.
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Post by roofed! on May 20, 2007 18:51:55 GMT -5
While she undoubtedly would be a great asset to JNT, shouldn't USAV have Klineman be involved with the main national team training over the summer, possibly (if she makes it) to one of the national team tournament rosters? With the OH positions being the main area of weakness, one would think that the national team would cast its net wide including the top all-around junior OHs. On the other hand, Klineman may not be interested yet in the national team, so this question could be moot.
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