AVCA April 27 2004 Poll

[OC24]

Posted early again...
www.avca.org/collegiate/MenDIpoll/Menspoll4-27-04.asp

Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points
1 BYU (14) 238
2 Long Beach State (2) 226
3 UCLA 208
4 Pepperdine 192
5 Hawai'i 170
6 Cal State Northridge 159
7 Penn State 140
8 UC Irvine 117
9 Ohio State 108
10 UC Santa Barbara 104
11 Ball State 80
12 Loyola-Chicago 55
13 Lewis 44
14 Pacific 24
15-tie IPFW 22
15-tie Stanford 22

[tigfan]

VICTORY!! Pacific has moved above Stanford... Alas, THE DAY IS MINE TREBEK!

[Rocky]

I have a problem with a couple of rankings -

1) UCSB should be ahead of UC Irvine. They split during the season both with 3-1 wins. So, that is a wash. The fact that the Gauchos won more games overall in the MPSF conference than the Anteaters should have some weight. UCSB finished in 7th place in the conference and was determined way before the last night of play. UC Irvine finished in 8th and that was determined on the last night.

2) CS Northridge should be ahead of Hawaii. CSUN beat Hawaii in both matches during conference play. How can Hawaii be higher when head to head the Matadors won? Conference win/loss records are identical (13-9) so that cannot be a factor. The only thing to look at is head to head and CSUN won both.

Just my opinion.

[lalalaluuuke]

Rocky said:

I have a problem with a couple of rankings -

1) UCSB should be ahead of UC Irvine. They split during the season both with 3-1 wins. So, that is a wash. The fact that the Gauchos won more games overall in the MPSF conference than the Anteaters should have some weight. UCSB finished in 7th place in the conference and was determined way before the last night of play. UC Irvine finished in 8th and that was determined on the last night.

2) CS Northridge should be ahead of Hawaii. CSUN beat Hawaii in both matches during conference play. How can Hawaii be higher when head to head the Matadors won? Conference win/loss records are identical (13-9) so that cannot be a factor. The only thing to look at is head to head and CSUN won both.

Just my opinion.

I respect your opinion and hear what you're saying. It would seem that votes are heavily influenced on the recent play of teams. CSUN and UCSB both finished losing games. UH in their defense, split w/ both LBSU and Pepperdine in the last couple of weeks. Irvine finished their season a hot team winning games. That's also why Pacific moved up. They, UH, and UCI all won some games in the last couple of weeks and moved themselves up in the voting.

[Rocky]

I respect your opinion as well. Pacific beat Stanford twice in the conference - it just so happens it was at the end of the season. It was a joke that Stanford was ranked higher than Pacific after their head to head games.

Conference play is conference play. If you beat someone twice and they are one position higher than you in the rankings it does not seem logical. CSUN should be higher than Hawaii based on head to head play. Total conference wins should also come into play.

Remember when Hawaii was ranked #1? They were being told they did not deserve the ranking since they had not played any of the top teams. Their next matches were at CSUN and they lost both. What an eye-opener to everyone. Did they ever find a line-up? They do not deserve the #5 ranking - in my opinion.

Irvine was hot at the end of the season. I even posted that I thought Irvine had a better chance of upsetting BYU than Stanford. I still stick to that. I absolutely agree. But, UCSB had more conference wins and that should give them a ranking above Irvine.

The MPSF conference play is a long 22 games. There are injuries that happen during the season that may affect the outcome of matches (Evan Patak (UCSB) did not play at BYU, Cary Hanson (CSUN) did not play at UCLA or Irvine. Both of those players received conference recognition. They meant something to the line-up of a team. Taking that into consideration, you need to look at more than just the last couple games.

Again, IMO CSUN should be #5, Hawaii should be #6, and UCSB should be somewhere ahead of Irvine. Just my opinion . . .

[benwhipdrofn]

there is a lot of respect on this thread.....what a nice change here. It must be spring....or time for the final four ;D

[VBbeast]

While their may be some merit to trying to take the season as a whole into consideration for the weekly rankings it is still a weekly ranking. The fact that U of someplace beat somebody at some point in the season might come into play when looking at NCAA bids and seeding, but is mostly irrelevant for the weekly rankings.

You have a group of coaches from around the country voting each week who may or may not have ever seen the teams they are voting on. About all they have to go on is who beat who in the past week, and where were they ranked prior to that.

[VILI]

I hear what you are saying and if I wasn't a die hard warrior fan I would probably agree with you

[Rocky]

Perhaps the final ranking will show the final standings . . . it usually does. We will wait and see.