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Post by tsunami on Jul 12, 2007 14:29:27 GMT -5
Linsey Yon-Texas A&M to New Mexico State.
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Post by vbfan1212 on Jul 14, 2007 23:57:33 GMT -5
I thought Noble was heading to Ohio State? Yes. UT is forcing a redshirt. Rob Patrick = major jerk. Let the kid move on with her life.
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Post by abcd098 on Jul 15, 2007 21:45:01 GMT -5
Yes. UT is forcing a redshirt. Rob Patrick = major jerk. Let the kid move on with her life. I don't know the whole story obviously, but this really ticks me off. Tennessee readily accepted Kelsey Fautsch when she wanted to transfer. It works both ways!
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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 16, 2007 7:37:39 GMT -5
Sometimes its the coach being vindictive, but sometimes it is the school. I know some schools make it a rule to not ever grant a release for transfers.
One of the kids that played for our club was involved with a nasty situation a few years back. The old school made her life absolutely miserable, their "rules" were: 1) No schools in the conference. 2) No schools that have made the NCAA post season in the past two years. 3) No schools on the top half of the NCAA that year via the RPI.
They were also supposed to let her know which schools had contacted the old school for permission to talk and the school didn't do it until the family started talking lawsuit, then she got a stack of requests.
The academic staff really helped her out and got her coursework in shape to get her degree.
A couple of veteran coaches asked for a permission to talk and got denied. They didn't even get a courtesy email or phonecall from the department, just a form letter faxed back to them.
She ended up going to a decent school in the west coacst, finished her degree there, had an awesome senior season and is playing pro in Europe, so it all worked out but there was the six months of sheer misery.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jul 16, 2007 9:38:07 GMT -5
Yes. UT is forcing a redshirt. Rob Patrick = major jerk. Let the kid move on with her life. It's not Patrick, it's the UT athletic department's policy. They don't release anybody, regardless of which program or which coach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2007 10:20:12 GMT -5
Rob Patrick = major jerk. Let the kid move on with her life. I don't know the whole story obviously, but this really ticks me off. Tennessee readily accepted Kelsey Fautsch when she wanted to transfer. It works both ways! A little different since Nebraska the transfer was in the best interests of Nebraska _and_, tangentially, Fautsch.
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Post by vbfan1212 on Jul 20, 2007 20:15:54 GMT -5
Rob Patrick = major jerk. Let the kid move on with her life. It's not Patrick, it's the UT athletic department's policy. They don't release anybody, regardless of which program or which coach. That's not true. The school released former basketball players Sybil Dosty and Sade Wiley-Gatewood. They have also released at least 5 softball players in recent years, including two that started for major Division 1 programs the year after playing at Tennessee. There is also a history of granting releases in baseball, swimming, and other sports. This is a case of a vindictive coach that has absolutely no regard for the feelings or well being of the student-athletes that he has been given the duty of coaching. Absolutely inexcusable. Period. Wouldn't let my kid go there for fear of him trying to ruin her life as well.
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Post by doc on Jul 20, 2007 21:06:36 GMT -5
Sometimes its the coach being vindictive, but sometimes it is the school. I know some schools make it a rule to not ever grant a release for transfers. One of the kids that played for our club was involved with a nasty situation a few years back. The old school made her life absolutely miserable, their "rules" were: 1) No schools in the conference. 2) No schools that have made the NCAA post season in the past two years. 3) No schools on the top half of the NCAA that year via the RPI. They were also supposed to let her know which schools had contacted the old school for permission to talk and the school didn't do it until the family started talking lawsuit, then she got a stack of requests. The academic staff really helped her out and got her coursework in shape to get her degree. A couple of veteran coaches asked for a permission to talk and got denied. They didn't even get a courtesy email or phonecall from the department, just a form letter faxed back to them. She ended up going to a decent school in the west coacst, finished her degree there, had an awesome senior season and is playing pro in Europe, so it all worked out but there was the six months of sheer misery. No secret hear, you are talking about the mess at Missouri. I do think players should be released in most cases, not all, if a school is going to readily except transfers in.
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Post by sandvb02 on Jul 22, 2007 22:15:03 GMT -5
What is going on in Missouri with the coach ?
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Post by silversurfer on Jul 22, 2007 22:31:47 GMT -5
What is going on in Missouri with the coach ? Forget the name of the player, but Missouri basically limited the schools to which one of their players could transfer to East Slovakia Junior College and San Diego State, even though they've taken in PLENTY of transfers at Mizzou. But God forbid you want to transfer out.
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Post by AntennaMagnet on Jul 23, 2007 9:13:18 GMT -5
While I understand that student - athletes have an obligation to their team and school that helped fund their education, ultimately, academics should dictate whether a transfer is acceptable or not. Thus, if a student decides in their 2nd year that they wanted to go into journalism and the school does not offer a program in this discipline, then a transfer should be authorized without question. However, requests to transfer because of the player's or parent's perception of better volleyball elsewhere is really a lame excuse that should not be an acceptable reason for transfering. To support transfers based on student - athlete's sports interests sends the wrong message as to key reason students go to college in the first place.
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Post by jets on Jul 23, 2007 16:18:30 GMT -5
What is going on in Missouri with the coach ? Forget the name of the player, but Missouri basically limited the schools to which one of their players could transfer to East Slovakia Junior College and San Diego State, even though they've taken in PLENTY of transfers at Mizzou. But God forbid you want to transfer out. Lindsey Noll led SDSU in hitting% and blocks (also both top 5 in conf) in 2005 and earned All-MWC honors.
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Post by keepitethical on Jul 24, 2007 0:28:16 GMT -5
It is not surprising that the story of Mizzou volleyball and the player that escaped and lived to tell the story continues to be the gold standard of "transfers handled badly". There was months of interest on prepvolleyball that spring (05). One of the major ethical questions (accepting big-time transfers into a program yet denying reasonable departures) comes up again in the UT situation. That same spring '05, Kelsey Fautsch was allowed to leave Nebraska for UT without all of the nastiness surrounding Mizzou's player Noll's transfer request. When a D-I athletic department/coaching staff decides to make an example of a player, it is rare that the player will emerge with any semblance of an athletic career left. But, the college programs don't miss a beat. It's heartening to see that some players still take that big step, keep the love of the game, and keep on playing! [shadow=red,left,300]Noll and Dargan together in Spain-- Buena Suerte![/shadow] www.cvcordoba.com/index.php?proceso=Contenidos&func=viewpub&tid=1&pid=199
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Post by keepitethical on Jul 24, 2007 0:51:18 GMT -5
PS. Big-time naivete! Check the graduation rates of student-athletes. (Although women's sports tend to do better than men.) Most s-a's are honestly looking for the right personal balance between a quality education and an opportunity to develop in their sport. The younger they are when expected to make this commitment, the more likely they are to discover later on, they made a wrong choice. IMHO the changes that take place between ages 16 and 20 make these transfers inevitable.
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Post by silversurfer on Jul 24, 2007 13:48:16 GMT -5
It is not surprising that the story of Mizzou volleyball and the player that escaped and lived to tell the story continues to be the gold standard of "transfers handled badly". There was months of interest on prepvolleyball that spring (05). One of the major ethical questions (accepting big-time transfers into a program yet denying reasonable departures) comes up again in the UT situation. That same spring '05, Kelsey Fautsch was allowed to leave Nebraska for UT without all of the nastiness surrounding Mizzou's player Noll's transfer request. When a D-I athletic department/coaching staff decides to make an example of a player, it is rare that the player will emerge with any semblance of an athletic career left. But, the college programs don't miss a beat. It's heartening to see that some players still take that big step, keep the love of the game, and keep on playing! [shadow=red,left,300]Noll and Dargan together in Spain-- Buena Suerte![/shadow] www.cvcordoba.com/index.php?proceso=Contenidos&func=viewpub&tid=1&pid=199I just found it absolutely ridiculous that the Mizzou staff basically would only allow Noll to transfer to the farthest ends of the earth where they were statistically almost assure that Noll would not impact Mizzou's season. I think she originally wanted to go to Cincy? But that wasn't far enough away. Apparently one transfer is capable of collapsing the entire Kreklow empire.
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