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Post by caliente21 on Sept 24, 2007 23:36:07 GMT -5
Each year the MAC has 5 strong teams...not like the pac 10 or the big 10, true, but it is a top 10 conference...this year Western has some good wins, including killing Kentucky 3-0. Miami has beaten both Wake and Pitt and had 5 match points on Colorado State. Bowling Green is a top 40 team with good wins. The sleepers this year will be Kent State and Central Michigan. The problem with the MAC is the bottom 4 teams that kill the RPI. This year it appears to be Buffalo, Akron, Toledo and Ball State...Ball State has been in the top 3 for 14 out of the last 15 years...but they are 1-13 this year so that appears to be unlikely. But other than the bottom 4, the MAC is solid. Ohio has gone undefeated in the conference for a while but every year they go 5 at some point and I don't care what conference you are talking about, once you are in conference it is like a new season.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 25, 2007 1:50:57 GMT -5
I am concerned that NIU appears to be headed in the wrong direction, but moving to the basement (literally) will probably cause the program to move to the basement in the standings. That is too bad, because the Huskies were very good under Waite and had a good year the last year Kress was there.
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Post by mervynpumpkinhead on Sept 25, 2007 9:47:01 GMT -5
I am concerned that NIU appears to be headed in the wrong direction, but moving to the basement (literally) will probably cause the program to move to the basement in the standings. That is too bad, because the Huskies were very good under Waite and had a good year the last year Kress was there. I thought NIU was pretty good last year? Might be having a down year right now, but I think Ray's a good coach.
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Post by bucky415 on Sept 25, 2007 12:44:00 GMT -5
The Huskies were pretty good last year, but McCullagh graduated, so that will hurt. I just don't see them getting the talent that they used to.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 25, 2007 14:47:59 GMT -5
Each year the MAC has 5 strong teams...not like the pac 10 or the big 10, true, but it is a top 10 conference Top Ten conference might be a stretch... Not necessarily in order: Tier 1 (3)Pac-10 Big 12 Big Ten Tier 2 (7)SEC WCC WAC Big West MWC MVC ACC Tier 3 (?)Big East Sun Belt MAC C-USA ... I just don't see any of these Tier 3 teams moving up into the above tiers this season... The order within each tier is questionable right now. How does the MAC really fit in? Just Ohio really making any noise. But same could be said of a lot of conferences.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 25, 2007 16:26:32 GMT -5
Given what you have here, I think you could readily flip-flop the MAC and MVC depending on the year. When UNI was at their top, the Valley would be stronger, but now with the Ohioans stronger, the MAC could make an argument.
I don't think the MAC has the depth at the top (UNI, Creighton, Wichita St, and Missouri St make a good set of top teams), but Ohio is clearly a step ahead of any of the Valley leaders.
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Post by comic on Sept 25, 2007 17:19:34 GMT -5
You gotta move the ACC down to tier three... or the Big East up to tier 2... St Johns/ Duke Louisville/Virginia (or GTech or whoever is 2nd in the ACC go down the line BE/ACC very close I think Each year the MAC has 5 strong teams...not like the pac 10 or the big 10, true, but it is a top 10 conference Top Ten conference might be a stretch... Not necessarily in order: Tier 1 (3)Pac-10 Big 12 Big Ten Tier 2 (7)SEC WCC WAC Big West MWC MVC ACC Tier 3 (?)Big East Sun Belt MAC C-USA ... I just don't see any of these Tier 3 teams moving up into the above tiers this season... The order within each tier is questionable right now. How does the MAC really fit in? Just Ohio really making any noise. But same could be said of a lot of conferences.
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Post by silversurfer on Sept 25, 2007 17:49:04 GMT -5
You gotta move the ACC down to tier three... or the Big East up to tier 2... St Johns/ Duke Louisville/Virginia (or GTech or whoever is 2nd in the ACC go down the line BE/ACC very close I think Absolutely. ACC is tier three, and I'd move Big East up.
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Post by Xplaya on Sept 25, 2007 18:46:10 GMT -5
You gotta move the ACC down to tier three... or the Big East up to tier 2... St Johns/ Duke Louisville/Virginia (or GTech or whoever is 2nd in the ACC go down the line BE/ACC very close I think Absolutely. ACC is tier three, and I'd move Big East up. Well, according to the RKPI (Rich Kerns simulation of the RPI, which has turned out to be very accurate the past 3 years) The conferences stack up as such (with your "Tier's" added): Rank Conference RKPI Tier 1 1 Pac-10 0.6489 2 Big Ten 0.6393 3 Big 12 0.6341 Tier 2 4 Southeastern 0.5906 5 Mountain West 0.5859 6 West Coast 0.5793 7 Atlantic Coast 0.5502 8 Big West 0.5433 9 Big East 0.5370 10 Missouri Valley 0.5269 Tier 3 11 Conference USA 0.5182 12 Western Athletic 0.5096 13 Atlantic 10 0.5020 14 Mid-American 0.5010 15 Colonial Athletic Association 0.4976 16 Horizon League 0.4915 17 Ivy League 0.4806 18 Sun Belt 0.4717 19 America East 0.4709 20 Big Sky 0.4676
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Post by OU-OhYeah! on Sept 25, 2007 18:58:33 GMT -5
Top Ten conference might be a stretch... Not necessarily in order: Tier 1 (3)Pac-10 Big 12 Big Ten Tier 2 (7)SEC WCC WAC Big West MWC MVC ACC Tier 3 (?)Big East Sun Belt MAC C-USA ... I just don't see any of these Tier 3 teams moving up into the above tiers this season... The order within each tier is questionable right now. How does the MAC really fit in? Just Ohio really making any noise. But same could be said of a lot of conferences. Are we basing this on the current year only? It certainly seems so with this ranking. Missouri Valley only makes it into Tier 2 based on this year (otherwise, you apply the same argument as is being applied to the MAC). You could certainly make a case for the ACC being in Tier 3. Of the Tier 3 conferences (which includes Missouri Valley for sure), I would definitely put the MAC at the head of the pack. That moves them into the Top 10.
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Post by dishdaball on Sept 25, 2007 19:08:34 GMT -5
Look at the title.....current year.......yes....accurrate observation.....yes
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Post by letch0125 on Sept 25, 2007 19:22:02 GMT -5
Each year the MAC has 5 strong teams...not like the pac 10 or the big 10, true, but it is a top 10 conference... The problem with the MAC is the bottom 4 teams that kill the RPI. This year it appears to be Buffalo, Akron, Toledo and Ball State... Awwww...better not say that...."standingroomonly" will get really mad!
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Post by Xplaya on Sept 25, 2007 19:37:03 GMT -5
Curious as to why everyone is so quick to drop the ACC to tier 3, when the facts are there...they are the 7th rated conference top to bottom...where are all the naysayers for say, the WAC besides Hawaii and and New Mexico State, what do you have? Some really bad teams (hence the 11th conference rank). The ACC might not have the history, but the facts remain, they are the 7th ranked league.
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Post by silversurfer on Sept 25, 2007 23:05:51 GMT -5
Curious as to why everyone is so quick to drop the ACC to tier 3, when the facts are there...they are the 7th rated conference top to bottom...where are all the naysayers for say, the WAC besides Hawaii and and New Mexico State, what do you have? Some really bad teams (hence the 11th conference rank). The ACC might not have the history, but the facts remain, they are the 7th ranked league. I just think the ACC underperforms despite having great schools. Now perennial top 25 teams. Programs are good for 2 years, then disappear for two years.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Sept 26, 2007 12:19:59 GMT -5
Well, according to the RKPI (Rich Kerns simulation of the RPI, which has turned out to be very accurate the past 3 years) The conferences stack up as such (with your "Tier's" added): Well, the problem with this is that you're using the RPI. Rich approximates the RPI very well, yes, but it doesn't lend to any real reason to use the RPI. The RPI has a regional bias, which helps the ACC and decimates the WAC. If you did the same with Pablo, well, then I might listen, but the RPI is the biggest piece of fudge-covered crap the NCAA serves up each year for dessert. That being said. I think that the ACC is still very borderline Tier 2 this year.
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