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Post by woodsk7 on Sept 26, 2007 14:46:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2007 14:49:38 GMT -5
My only thought is that I have always been amazed at the % of serves in high school that go to the middle of the court. We're talking 90% +.
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Post by cruncher on Sept 26, 2007 15:12:32 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, the MB would be in the back row 2 out of 3 rotations in your case. I would think having the MB in serve receive 2/3 of the plays would be the major drawback.
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Post by wang pu on Sept 26, 2007 15:20:41 GMT -5
Some teams like having their go to hitter passing middle back as that is an easier "off" set, than the "A" or "D" sets.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2007 15:31:43 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, the MB would be in the back row 2 out of 3 rotations in your case. I would think having the MB in serve receive 2/3 of the plays would be the major drawback. I don't think so. If I understand woodsk7 correctly, the libero is just in the middle of the serve receive in every rotation. I don't think it says who the libero is replacing. The major drawback would be if you force yourself to use a weak passer as another serve receiver because of this pattern -- or if you shackle one of your better hitters because of the pattern. For instance, let's say when your libero is RB and your setter is RF. Your OH is pretty much forced to pass from the RB. |
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Post by cruncher on Sept 26, 2007 17:52:06 GMT -5
If I understand correctly, the MB would be in the back row 2 out of 3 rotations in your case. I would think having the MB in serve receive 2/3 of the plays would be the major drawback. I don't think so. If I understand woodsk7 correctly, the libero is just in the middle of the serve receive in every rotation. I don't think it says who the libero is replacing. The major drawback would be if you force yourself to use a weak passer as another serve receiver because of this pattern -- or if you shackle one of your better hitters because of the pattern. For instance, let's say when your libero is RB and your setter is RF. Your OH is pretty much forced to pass from the RB. Oh, so it's who you pull back from the front row to pass. I guess that would work in all but R4 for a typical setter-leads-middle lineup or R6 for setter-follows-middle. |
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Post by archer on Sept 26, 2007 20:27:35 GMT -5
My understanding here is that the libero replaces the MBs in the backrow and the MBs are not in serve receive.
This is good for high school because the serves are not that tough. Assumes that your OP is also a decent passer and can handle the rhythm of being in 2/6 passing rotations.
Do you have a back-up when opponents serve tough? What about offense options when served short in the middle or right front?
I will go with this if I have a really awesome Libero and she's the best passer in the team. I just don't like the odd offense options on some rotations.
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Post by woodsk7 on Sept 26, 2007 23:21:45 GMT -5
Yeah. The one drawback is that your opposite has to pass two rotations. Depending on the personel of your team this might be a problem. But it also depends on the other team's ability to recognize that new passer and take advantage of them if they can. Instead of having to train 3 good passers, you have a 4th that only passes 2 times. For the most part, I have not had a problem at all with this.
It just so turns out that my Libero is the best serve receive passer on the team...As well as the best defense player on the team. My point from the beginning is this. If teams have this rotation in mind, they can train players accordingly. You have a higher chance finding a short player that can own the serve receive than a taller player.
Other posts didn't mention the advantage of having your OH2 worry about passing...And just hitting...Which is an obvious advantage. I've had player cheat to the left because they want to be in position to hit, and then mess up the pass on serve receive.
In general the 3-man receive should cover all short balls as well. Assuming you've got the right 3/4 passers.
And remember, I am only speaking about serve recieve. Where you choose to have your defensive players play is a different discussion. I prefer the middle back because that is where most balls go in my league.
In resonse to another post. This in no way effects the middle hitters.
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Post by bunnywailer on Sept 27, 2007 1:50:11 GMT -5
You can pretty much tweak serve receive formations, within reason, to have the libero passing in the middle of your 3-person receive in EVERY rotation if you wanted to. The problem is, if your libero goes into a passing funk, what the hell are you going to do? Put the frontrow middle that was replaced back in and have that person handle the middle of the receive formation until your libero (who is now crying on the end of the bench after embarassing herself with an extended streak of bad passing) is ready to go back in? Sub a defensive specialist into the receive for the frontrow middle using a conventional sub pattern? You'll run out of subs pretty quick unless you're playing in the NFSHA ruleset.
You better have a libero that can pass like Karch Kiraly in his heydey, and has the mental toughness of a Kiraly or a Ctrvrklik, if you're going to rely exclusively on that libero to pass that much of the court in every rotation. A libero replacement doesn't work like a conventional sub. If that person starts tanking it, you have no recourse but to grip and bear it until that person either works themselves out of it, or the game ends and you can designate some other person as your libero.
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Post by Kokopelli on Sept 28, 2007 12:01:22 GMT -5
In college and international play you have greater ability to put players on the floor who fit your system. Keep in mind that at the high school and club levels, you have potentially fewer options and should find the system that best fits your personnel for that season/year.
I have had more than a few teams where one player has received the middle of the court every rotation (usually Libero, but also OPP and L2). Yes, we found it to be very challenging when the Primary Passer was having an "off" game, but our subs (L3 or DS) usually got us out of trouble long enough to re-focus her. If that wasn't working, we reverted to the traditional L1, L2 and OPP passing scheme.
FWIW - we've also run the PP system in conjunction with the 3 Middle offense, which gave us the potential for a lot of different matchups. Had a lot of fun with this at the HS and club level.
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