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Post by bomber on Oct 23, 2007 13:11:09 GMT -5
I was very surprised that after nine consecutive wins, that Mills was left on the bench. Mills has been solid all season and an inspirational leader for the Badgers. I was a little confused by the timing. Mills has been relatively solid, but she got off to a bad start Sunday for whatever reason and needed to come out. But as far as inspirational leader for the Badgers, I'm not so sure. She's one of the seniors, but I don't think anyone on the team is looking her way for inspiration. She's not consistent enough to depend on come crunch time.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 23, 2007 13:18:32 GMT -5
Gimme a break. Now Harmotto's being accused of lying? What's the difference between what Harmatto did and every hitter who cries for a touch call when she sails one into the bleachers? Or the passer who lets a serve fall on the end-line and pleads to the official that it was out? The difference is that Harmotto has admitted that she knew at the time that the ball had hit her. And she's the one called herself a "liar." There is no "accusation."
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Post by ugopher on Oct 23, 2007 13:54:06 GMT -5
Had a match one time where our player hit the ball, it hit the blocker and went out. The up official called it out and the blocker made the comment, not to the official but to others, that she touched it. Our hitter told the up official that the blocker said she hit the ball to which the up official replied "I don't care what she says, the ball is ruled out."
No real point to this other than if Harmotto had told the official the ball hit her there is no guarantee the official would have changed her mind.
Oh, and Drew Pearson DID push off against the Vikings. He admitted it later but they are not going to replay the game nor change the outcome.
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Post by bomber on Oct 23, 2007 14:00:15 GMT -5
The difference is that Harmotto has admitted that she knew at the time that the ball had hit her. And she's the one called herself a "liar." Ther is no "accusation." Give it a rest spike. That Harmatto lied about the touch to the ref and admitted it later at this point is water over the dam. I know plenty of other players in her position would have done exactly the same thing, especially when the stakes for this match were so high. It's truly frustrating that such a great match had to come down to a missed call,especially when that call falls against you, but that's volleyball, and sports in general. If the play had been ruled in Wisconsin's favor giving them the match, you probably wouldn't even be arguing your point right now. The Badgers will get another shot at PSU again in a few weeks. Maybe they can use what happened to give them some added incentive to win next time.
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Post by spikerthemovie on Oct 23, 2007 14:36:55 GMT -5
I'm not arguing ANY point, although folks keep acting like I am. I did not call Harmotto a "cheater," which seems to be the implication in some responding posts, nor would I -- in a mild joke, I simply labeled her Big Ten Liar of the Week, something I would not have done if she had not already used the term to refer to herself. That's it. No argument about whether she should have owned up or whether it would have made a difference to the refs or whether perfect honesty in volleyball could be the first butterfly-wing step to world peace. Others, on the other hand, have ventured in those directions.
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 23, 2007 14:37:50 GMT -5
"Water over the dam?"
That's not good...
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Post by bomber on Oct 23, 2007 14:46:55 GMT -5
"Water over the dam?" That's not good... Not if you're downstream................
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Post by IdahoBoy on Oct 23, 2007 14:55:14 GMT -5
"Water over the dam?" That's not good... Not if you're downstream................ Are you suicidal after offing BiK? I take it you're not an engineer. Or understand basic gravity and erosion concepts.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 23, 2007 15:04:37 GMT -5
"Water over the dam?" That's not good... There were three jolly fish-er-men...
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Post by abovethenet on Oct 23, 2007 19:26:37 GMT -5
One thing I didn't mention: I think the Badgers found out yesterday that Kuzma is ready to play in prime time. She wasn't perfect, but she hung in there and made some nice plays against a really good team. That bodes really well for the future. Agree with this statement about Kuzma. To come in with only one Big Ten match under her belt and play in front of 10,000 against the #2 team, I thought she was impressive. I hope we see a lot more of her this year. You talk about an inspirational leader...she is one in the making. She got some prime time experience in this match and if she continues to get more, that may be one link to help bring home the win in Happy Valley.
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Post by wiscvball on Oct 23, 2007 22:05:15 GMT -5
Ok... the conversation has gone on for over two days now. Yes, PSU touched the ball, that was obvious. However, it took Wisconsin about 15 seconds to get over it.
I just re-watched game 5 of the match and after the call, UW lined up to shake hands (the camera was on Reineke the whole time and she went from pissed to cordial in about 5 seconds) and when UW was lining up to sing varsity the players were laughing and there were no scouls or muttered swear words to be seen. In the end, the players set examples that the fans of the game should follow. If the UW athletes can get over it so quickly there is no excuse for this board not to. Harmotto is a fantastic player and one of the best athletes to EVER play in this conference, and if she is called a "liar" or a "cheater" it is not fair to someone of her character and ability. It's simply what everyone is taught as they grow up playing this sport - yell like hell when you don't think the refs saw the touch. Honesty is NOT the player's responsibility.
The only benefit of the no call to Wisconsin is for motivation in a couple weeks when the play PSU at Penn State. Other than that, there isn't much to be discussed. UW and PSU both still control their own destiny in regards to a big ten championship. Win out and it's yours. UW would share it with PSU (sans upset) and PSU could still win it outright. Both teams have a lot of business to take care of, and to say that this match decides the conference standings when 10 unplayed matches still exist is a disservice to the rest of the conference.
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Post by bigtenben on Oct 23, 2007 22:20:20 GMT -5
Ok... the conversation has gone on for over two days now. Yes, PSU touched the ball, that was obvious. However, it took Wisconsin about 15 seconds to get over it. I just re-watched game 5 of the match and after the call, UW lined up to shake hands (the camera was on Reineke the whole time and she went from pissed to cordial in about 5 seconds) and when UW was lining up to sing varsity the players were laughing and there were no scouls or muttered swear words to be seen. In the end, the players set examples that the fans of the game should follow. If the UW athletes can get over it so quickly there is no excuse for this board not to. Harmotto is a fantastic player and one of the best athletes to EVER play in this conference, and if she is called a "liar" or a "cheater" it is not fair to someone of her character and ability. It's simply what everyone is taught as they grow up playing this sport - yell like hell when you don't think the refs saw the touch. Honesty is NOT the player's responsibility. The only benefit of the no call to Wisconsin is for motivation in a couple weeks when the play PSU at Penn State. Other than that, there isn't much to be discussed. UW and PSU both still control their own destiny in regards to a big ten championship. Win out and it's yours. UW would share it with PSU (sans upset) and PSU could still win it outright. Both teams have a lot of business to take care of, and to say that this match decides the conference standings when 10 unplayed matches still exist is a disservice to the rest of the conference. AMEN to that. Pete was also very cordial and a class act in the way he handled this loss. Let's just finish this fight back on the court on Nov. 16.
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Post by silver7 on Oct 23, 2007 23:00:55 GMT -5
"HONESTY NOT BEING A PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY" is such cop out these days. Trust me, this kind of behavior will come back to HAUNT every one who wishes to CHEAT or LIE in ANY situation .
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Post by wiscvball on Oct 23, 2007 23:40:13 GMT -5
"HONESTY NOT BEING A PLAYERS RESPONSIBILITY" is such cop out these days. Trust me, this kind of behavior will come back to HAUNT every one who wishes to CHEAT or LIE in ANY situation . Then you must not have played much organized VB growing up... I know that I, and many others who I played with, were taught to call no touch so often that it even comes out of your mouth before realizing that you touched a ball. Yes, in rec leagues and similiar levels of competition you can take it back and the ref will accept it if they didn't see it. However, this is D1 college ball, and when you yell no touch, and the ref isn't sure, 99% of the time they will side with the defense. Not Harmotto's fault. Not the block's fault.
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