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Post by roofus on Jan 31, 2008 15:19:16 GMT -5
As I said, I am sure he is GREAT! A rising young coach without question. But... there are PROVEN head coaches out there, with tremendous histories of success. Coaches who have been at really tough places and made a huge impact. Take Jon at Cal Poly - what he did at St Mary's was amazing (and now at Cal Poly). Take Chris Lamb at Wichita - who the hell wants to go to Wichita (now their attendance rocks and they go to NCAA each year). The list goes WAY beyond these proven people. Again, I am sure Lee is AMAZING! I just want to see it at mid-major before at a major. No slam on him - just the administrators.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 31, 2008 15:28:40 GMT -5
Do you know what you are talking about? You need to do some research about Mr. Maes, as the Administrators HAVE done on him. I remember what he did almost single-handedly in 1998. He took over as interim head coach when the head coach and 1st assistant resigned. He was the only coach on the staff and had no help in training or warming up his players. He saw through some incredibly adverse times, including one match where his team only had 7 available players and one exited due to injury. His resume is extensive, including coaching some of the highest profile players in volleyball. I wouldn't even say he's a "rising star". He's an established coach and could have been a head coach years ago. He's had his opportunities in the past, so I think he was looking for the right job to open up.
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Post by Sandvb on Jan 31, 2008 15:30:04 GMT -5
As I said, I am sure he is GREAT! A rising young coach without question. But... there are PROVEN head coaches out there, with tremendous histories of success. Coaches who have been at really tough places and made a huge impact. Take Jon at Cal Poly - what he did at St Mary's was amazing (and now at Cal Poly). Take Chris Lamb at Wichita - who the hell wants to go to Wichita (now their attendance rocks and they go to NCAA each year). The list goes WAY beyond these proven people. Again, I am sure Lee is AMAZING! I just want to see it at mid-major before at a major. No slam on him - just the administrators. You're right, you just named two great coaches. Why would they want to leave their respectable, accomplished programs for UVA?
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Post by BearClause on Jan 31, 2008 15:41:58 GMT -5
As I said, I am sure he is GREAT! A rising young coach without question. But... there are PROVEN head coaches out there, with tremendous histories of success. Coaches who have been at really tough places and made a huge impact. Take Jon at Cal Poly - what he did at St Mary's was amazing (and now at Cal Poly). Take Chris Lamb at Wichita - who the hell wants to go to Wichita (now their attendance rocks and they go to NCAA each year). The list goes WAY beyond these proven people. Again, I am sure Lee is AMAZING! I just want to see it at mid-major before at a major. No slam on him - just the administrators. You're right, you just named two great coaches. Why would they want to leave their respectable, accomplished programs for UVA? Chris Lamb was an assistant at Arizona. Jon Stevenson was a not so successful men's head coach at UCSD before taking an assistant job at Wyoming and got the attention of St Mary's as the HC at D-II Sonoma State. I've spoken to Coach Stevenson about why he left St Mary's, and I don't get the sense that he's eager to leave the West Coast. Virginia would have to be a bit more creative than just trying to poach another team's head coach. If they are hiring Lee, I'd think they'd be hoping for a turnaround like with Purdue's hiring of an experienced club coach in Dave Shondell.
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Post by roofus on Jan 31, 2008 16:27:34 GMT -5
Good point with Shondell. That was a great hire by Purdue. Seemingly, with the amount of attention Purdue has given to volleyball to make it a great event makes me think he is a solid administrator as well. Volleyball has gotten pretty exciting on their campus. Being so inner-webbed with volleyball in the state of Indiana made that hire perfect. Yeah, good point.
Like I said, this is nothing against Lee, really. In the world of coaching, it has always been believed that one breaks in by getting the best assistant position possible. Once working your tail off and making a mark, the next quest is landing that perfect mid-major job where, if your good and keep working your tail off, you make national noise (go to NCAA tournament or something). From there, the "major" institutions take notice and give you a ring (or you apply). It just seems like the "major" jobs never open and when they do, seems like the proven head coach should get the nod, not coaches who have never managed or administrated their own programs.
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Post by Sandvb on Jan 31, 2008 16:39:42 GMT -5
Good point with Shondell. That was a great hire by Purdue. Seemingly, with the amount of attention Purdue has given to volleyball to make it a great event makes me think he is a solid administrator as well. Volleyball has gotten pretty exciting on their campus. Being so inner-webbed with volleyball in the state of Indiana made that hire perfect. Yeah, good point. Like I said, this is nothing against Lee, really. In the world of coaching, it has always been believed that one breaks in by getting the best assistant position possible. Once working your tail off and making a mark, the next quest is landing that perfect mid-major job where, if your good and keep working your tail off, you make national noise (go to NCAA tournament or something). From there, the "major" institutions take notice and give you a ring (or you apply). It just seems like the "major" jobs never open and when they do, seems like the proven head coach should get the nod, not coaches who have never managed or administrated their own programs. I agree with you in theory Ruffus. One thing that I think you are missing in most cases, is that coaches at successful Mid-Majors are hesitant to leave their jobs to go to Major conference bottom dwellers. There is a lot of risk. Good coaches don't always succeed, especially against other good coaches. Unlike football and basketball, they haven't made large chunks of money that allow them to wait around for the next job if they get fired from that bottom Major conference school or to go back to try to build there reputation back up. Another, is that UVA isn't in a Major Volleyball conference like UI, tOSU, and ASU.
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Post by ugsba on Jan 31, 2008 16:44:32 GMT -5
How about considering the SKILLS of management and administration? These skills that Mr. Maes has, are exceptional and consistent throughout his coaching career.
It is widely known that Mr. Maes is one of the best coaches in the country- head coaches included. Any program would be extremely fortunate to have him.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 31, 2008 16:46:34 GMT -5
Like I said, this is nothing against Lee, really. In the world of coaching, it has always been believed that one breaks in by getting the best assistant position possible. Once working your tail off and making a mark, the next quest is landing that perfect mid-major job where, if your good and keep working your tail off, you make national noise (go to NCAA tournament or something). From there, the "major" institutions take notice and give you a ring (or you apply). It just seems like the "major" jobs never open and when they do, seems like the proven head coach should get the nod, not coaches who have never managed or administrated their own programs. Thats a nice thought, a given apprenticeship and a period of seasoning etc. But some times it doesn't work out. Ask all the assistants whose careers have stalled for one reason or another. Some times you just get lucky. Like others have said, Lee should have gotten a head coaching job years ago, but I think he has been pretty patient, waiting for the right opportunity. I would question whether UVA is the right opportunity here given the FUBAR things that have gone on with the hiring process. Given the size of the school and the relative reputation of the conference it is just about right for him to use it as a springboard elsewhere, as you said to test his wings at a mid-major and then move on to better jobs.
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Post by mango on Jan 31, 2008 16:47:12 GMT -5
UVA is a school that automatically attracts good scholar - athletes.....pretty much the same folks that look at Duke and the other academically selective schools (even Stanford). Thus, with the right recruitment penache', UVA should be able to develop a pretty competitive program.
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Post by BearClause on Jan 31, 2008 16:55:09 GMT -5
Like I said, this is nothing against Lee, really. In the world of coaching, it has always been believed that one breaks in by getting the best assistant position possible. Once working your tail off and making a mark, the next quest is landing that perfect mid-major job where, if your good and keep working your tail off, you make national noise (go to NCAA tournament or something). From there, the "major" institutions take notice and give you a ring (or you apply). It just seems like the "major" jobs never open and when they do, seems like the proven head coach should get the nod, not coaches who have never managed or administrated their own programs. That's where you're wrong. Lee Maes has managed and administered his own program. When Sue Woodstra and Oscar Crespo resigned in 1998, who do you think kept the Cal volleyball team afloat with no assistant coaches? Who was single-handedly responsible for training, recruiting, and coordination that year? Who do you think ran the Cal men's club team from 1996 to 1999? Who was in charge of the team during Spring when the head coach was out recruiting?
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Post by doc on Jan 31, 2008 20:58:58 GMT -5
How about considering the SKILLS of management and administration? These skills that Mr. Maes has, are exceptional and consistent throughout his coaching career. It is widely known that Mr. Maes is one of the best coaches in the country- head coaches included. Any program would be extremely fortunate to have him. Are you his agent or girlfriend? Just like in business a lot of good employees when all they have to do is make suggestions. However, it's a whole differn't ballgame when they have to make the final decisions. Lot's of GREAT employees who failed when they got their shot at running the department or company. Maes hasn't proven anything yet so to compare him to the best head coaches in the country is a joke.
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Post by edrooney on Jan 31, 2008 21:09:55 GMT -5
How about considering the SKILLS of management and administration? These skills that Mr. Maes has, are exceptional and consistent throughout his coaching career. It is widely known that Mr. Maes is one of the best coaches in the country- head coaches included. Any program would be extremely fortunate to have him. Are you his agent or girlfriend? Just like in business a lot of good employees when all they have to do is make suggestions. However, it's a whole differn't ballgame when they have to make the final decisions. Lot's of GREAT employees who failed when they got their shot at running the department or company. Maes hasn't proven anything yet so to compare him to the best head coaches in the country is a joke. Very true, but Maes has done some good things as head man in his past, such as run Cal smoothly, and run Golden Bear Forefront.
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Post by slider on Jan 31, 2008 21:20:37 GMT -5
I think Maes would be a great fit for UVA. His experience with the very academic student athletes at Cal would make him attractive to the UVA recruits and players as well as to administration; if they can decide that it is okay for a man to be the next volleyball coach. The volleyball program is in good shape, the facilities are very good, and there is money behind the program. We know he is an excellent trainer and his experience with top programs could really help bring not just Virginia, but the rest of the ACC as well to a higher level of play.
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Post by JustInCase on Jan 31, 2008 22:09:50 GMT -5
Do I know if Lee even interviewed at UVa....No. Do I know if he has been offered the job at UVa....No. Do I know if he would be successful if he was head coach at UVa....No, no one ever does.
What I do know, is of all the people that we posters have speculated about, I can guarantee you, the rest of the ACC coaches pray that Lee Maes is not the one with the job.
Of all those mentioned, Lee would be the one they are most worried about as a competitor.
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Post by simplycurious on Jan 31, 2008 22:18:18 GMT -5
Well, I can tell you this JustInCase, Janice Kruger isn't worried about Lee Maes!
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