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Post by edrooney on Jan 18, 2008 18:31:50 GMT -5
I wonder if they brought in Joanne from St. Johns? I'd say you're right, along with Dingman from ISU.
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Post by uvahoosfan on Jan 18, 2008 23:31:40 GMT -5
It's upsetting to read that the general consensus is that UVA has botched the hiring process. I bring zero inside information to this board, and I only joined to see what people were saying about our school and the position, but the way the AD has gone about hiring for this position is really perplexing.
Just a little background on UVA olympic sports (the only thing UVA fans can hang their hat on) Craig Littlepage was promoted to AD in 2001, and since then he's made so many incredible hires for our olympic sports teams. A new baseball coach, 4 straight 40 win seasons, top 10 all of last year, after the previous coach was there for 20 years or so with a losing record. New tennis coaches for both programs, where UVa has never had any success, the men's team is poised to win the national title this season. New wrestling coach, first ranking in school history, etc. you get the point, there are other examples, I wont bore you.
So I just don't understand why the administration isn't doing everything in their power to get the best possible candidates and coach. The only thing I can think as to why they're only interested in females candidates is because of our very P.C. President and the fact that we have a lot of males coaching our women's programs, but hoo knows if that's the reason. Either way, as a hoo fan, I can only hope Littlepage knows what he's doing, because he's done it before and done it well.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 18, 2008 23:48:21 GMT -5
OK, lets look at the four.
Cindy Frederick, a lot of bashing has gone on of her and her time at Washington State and Iowa. Experience is experience, even though it has been losing experience for the most part lately.
Erin Appleman, good pedigree working for Russ Rose. Took Yale to the NCAAs. Knows what she is doing but have never head coached a team at a school where sports really mattered. Good trainer.
Joanne Persico-Smith, is Virginia ready to be the United nation of volleyball like St. John's was? is she bringing her assistants? they did a lot of the training. Made the big dance this year.
Sharon Dingman, not really sure why she would want to leave Illinois State, out side of the money. Made the big dance before, comes from a good mid major conference.
On the surface, the choices aren't all that horrible, it isn't as if they were bringing in 23 year old assistants with no experience and handing them the keys, setting them up for failure. The real head scratcher is Frederick, of course Craig Littlepage probably doesn't read VolleyTalk.
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Post by vbsmurf on Jan 19, 2008 1:49:26 GMT -5
UVA is proving that they don't have the same interest in success that they do in other sports. Without dropping names, I know for a fact (not that it holds any water) that several qualified applicants were interested in this position and didn't even get a phone call back.
The four applicants mentioned for interviews, while head coaches, change nothing in the UVA program as it is right now. Hell, Frederick with her whopping 9-71 Big 10 record could possibly move the program backward. This is a chance for UVA's athletic administration to make a huge step forward and they seem to want to just stick with playing the gender card.
With the exception of Persico-Smith, which one of the candidates makes you say "Wow, they're just going to get a ton better". Persico-Smith, at least, has a recent resume of pretty good success. Frederick does not. Appleman has coached in the Ivy League which is no where near the same amount of commitment of a Div. 1 program, but she's got the PSU background. Dingman coaches in a good conference, but has she won it lately?
An opportunity to hit a home run is available, but UVA's administration clearly doesn't want to make that big of a move. If they brought in a male candidate, they would say "We have to bring in a female". Bringing in four females, the opposite isn't even being mentioned.
Believe me, the "money" isn't what people may think exist at Virginia.
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Post by mango on Jan 19, 2008 10:21:44 GMT -5
Well, we all know that males are the superior gender in every way, don't we Mr. Smurf ?
Prediction: Appleman. She has very good experience and reputation for dealing with high caliber, academically talented women such as those who matriculate to UVA.
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Post by vbnerd on Jan 19, 2008 11:51:30 GMT -5
Joanne Persico-Smith, is Virginia ready to be the United nation of volleyball like St. John's was? is she bringing her assistants? they did a lot of the training. Made the big dance this year. I thought about this one for about 1/2 a second before dismissing it and coming up with Strauss. Persico-Smith to UVA? A) she's dropping down about 2 flights. B) She couldn't win with american kids, and she is going to have a rough time getting the type of players she won with to get accepted into virginia. She needs to stay. I'd go with Appleman but I have no say so we'll see what happens.
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Post by edrooney on Jan 19, 2008 11:57:10 GMT -5
Joanne Persico-Smith, is Virginia ready to be the United nation of volleyball like St. John's was? is she bringing her assistants? they did a lot of the training. Made the big dance this year. I thought about this one for about 1/2 a second before dismissing it and coming up with Strauss. Persico-Smith to UVA? A) she's dropping down about 2 flights. B) She couldn't win with american kids, and she is going to have a rough time getting the type of players she won with to get accepted into virginia. She needs to stay. I'd go with Appleman but I have no say so we'll see what happens. Here's another thing to consider: If UVA isn't putting much into looking for candidates, there's a big chance that they might not make a good enough offer for ANY of these candidates to accept the job except for Cindy, who needs a job. This is a definite possibility.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 19, 2008 12:02:43 GMT -5
Ok, I will give you some inside scoop. Things are getting ugly at UVA. Players and parents have expressed tremendous dissapointment in the candidates. Players were told in a meeting with AD, that they planned on hiring a woman. The team and parents are not anti-woman, they just don't understand why the University is not attempting to hire the best available coach. They have pointed out that the womens soccer team is coached by an all-male staff. Again, it isn't about male/female, it is about why limit the candidate pool? I do know that players have made it very clear they do not plan on being there if they don't hire an exceptional candidate. As it has been stated, there is a significant booster who has given large sums of money for volleyball and has pledged to give more providing the administration demonstrates it wants to win. The booster is not insisting they hire a specific person, they are insisting however that they hire a proven winner.
I believe Persico Smith has a winning resume, the problem is can her formula for winning work at UVA? I highly doubt it. Getting those foreign kids admitted, which is the sole reason for her success, is highly unlikely at UVA. So, the question is can she win, recruiting top student athletes from this country? The answer is "who knows" These players and parents are pretty savvy, they know some of the names of people who have applied, and recognize they would be tremendous hires at UVA. The fact they won't coach there because of their genitalia, is tremendously dissapointing to them.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 19, 2008 16:02:37 GMT -5
The question is: will the administration listen, or will they follow their dogma?
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Post by Keystonekid on Jan 19, 2008 16:06:20 GMT -5
Those players have every right to be furious about the process. Even if they wind up with a good coach, the message they are being sent is, "hiring the best person to lead you young women, is not our main concern" That stinks!
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Post by iowacityfosho on Jan 19, 2008 21:43:40 GMT -5
Is it conceivable that male candidates who were denied an interview could sue the university for reverse discrimination? I only bring that up because the SWA is rumored to have told the players that they were going to hire a woman.
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Post by hooshoo on Jan 19, 2008 22:14:05 GMT -5
Yes, a lawsuit could be filed - and won. But, face it, that would also be a career-ending move for a coach. It will take the team members and their parents to put the pressure on the AD. It is not a rumor that the SWA said that to the players, it is a fact. It's sad what's going on at UVa. Everyone knows who would be best in that job. In fact, with what has happened, I would think that Melissa Shelton should also be mad. She was forced out because the school said they wanted to go in a new direction. If you put her up against the four candidates, she's the best for the job. They need to be forced into sticking by their word and going after the very best candidate. It happens to be a male for this particular job. And he applied for the position. Sometimes you just need to face reality.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 19, 2008 23:48:00 GMT -5
In fact, with what has happened, I would think that Melissa Shelton should also be mad. She was forced out because the school said they wanted to go in a new direction. If you put her up against the four candidates, she's the best for the job. I was thinking the very same thing. In going over the four candidates she stands heads and shoulders above all of them on paper.
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Post by iowacityfosho on Jan 20, 2008 0:00:13 GMT -5
In fact, with what has happened, I would think that Melissa Shelton should also be mad. She was forced out because the school said they wanted to go in a new direction. If you put her up against the four candidates, she's the best for the job. I was thinking the very same thing. In going over the four candidates she stands heads and shoulders above all of them on paper. I wouldn't go that far.
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Post by wii on Jan 20, 2008 10:33:18 GMT -5
...It's sad what's going on at UVa. Everyone knows who would be best in that job.... They need to be forced into sticking by their word and going after the very best candidate. It happens to be a male for this particular job. And he applied for the position. Sometimes you just need to face reality.
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