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Post by I Luv Danny R on Aug 20, 2010 22:48:21 GMT -5
I honestly think Hawaii should go Pac-10 !
The football team can hold there own ground. They would get more recruits to Hawaii, and a + playing in the pac 10.. If not
the Wahine should go back to the Big West, and make there football team go Independent..
I think the Wac is just WACK ! ! What ya'll think..
I can't wait till the Wahine open up the season next week,
What if Hawaii went into Pepperdines Confrence. Also Sac State should move into the WAC ! ! or UNLV
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Post by plm on Aug 20, 2010 23:22:45 GMT -5
First Hawaii would have to be asked to join a different conference I assume. I know when Nebraska decided to join the Big 10 they were invited to join & not the other way around. They simply can't just join because they want to join whichever conference they may want to join. There's also maybe more to joining a different conference then just because of athletics.
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Post by BearClause on Aug 21, 2010 0:12:59 GMT -5
It's highly unlikely that the Pac-10 would invite Hawaii. The Pac-10 has been based around "geographic partners" for some time. Frankly UH doesn't fit the profile of the schools that are Pac-10 members. The current Pac-10 members would also protest about the travel costs.
Any further Pac-10 expansion would be about money, and Hawaii doesn't bring that. They already have the 12 teams needed for a football championship game.
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Post by Jack on Aug 21, 2010 0:34:59 GMT -5
Maybe Hawaii, Hawaii Hilo, BYU Hawaii, Chaminade, U. of Alaska Anchorage, and U. of Alaska Fairbanks can start a new conference called the MCKOA. The mainland can kiss our xxx conference. It wouldn't be all that much softer than the WAC already is in vb.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 21, 2010 2:20:31 GMT -5
The Pac-10 doesn't want hawaii.....the academics and athletics as a whole are far too below Pac-10 standards. Sorry Wahine, just calling it like it is.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 21, 2010 3:16:09 GMT -5
The Pac-10 doesn't want hawaii.....the academics and athletics as a whole are far too below Pac-10 standards. Sorry Wahine, just calling it like it is. this is always the stock reason for why Hawaii is "incompatible" with the PAC-10, but of course, there's always more to it than that. realistically, i would say that hawaii's academics would be comparable to the 2 new invitees to the conference ... the real reason -- as it always is -- is money... Hawaii just doesn't have a television audience share (in football and basketball) that would improve the PAC-10's position in negotiating tv contract rights. any travel issues would, of course, be overcome if the revenue from television rights can more than make up for it. i'm sure someone has crunched the numbers, and has figured it doesn't. Hawaii also already has local tv rights with KFVE that would complicate things. (And as we saw with Texas and the Big 12, local tv rights can be a big deal.) any expansion to the PAC-10 (and most any conference) would need to involve getting a larger media deal. that's what the chaos this summer has been all about with the conference shake-ups. at this point, it's still not even clear whether the addition of Utah and Colorado improves the PAC-10's position all that much. some reports have said that the PAC-10's position was already pretty strong without them. the conference's current deal is what, $50 million with Fox? by all accounts, the PAC-10 is looking to double that... the truth is that adding Hawaii won't get them there... and when you're dealing with that kind of money, the academics and athletics rationale you mention become secondary... |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Aug 21, 2010 5:18:19 GMT -5
Rankings
U.S.News & World Report: America's Best Graduate Schools 2011 ranks the John A. Burns School of Medicine geriatric medicine program 18th in the nation while ranking its Rural Medicine Program 22nd in the nation
According to the 2011 U.S.News & World Report law school rankings the William S. Richardson School of Law ranks 2nd best in student/teacher ratio and is the smallest law school among the top 100 law schools.
It also ranked as the 23rd most selective school in terms of the ratio of admission offers/applications and in the top 50 for first-time bar passage rate.
The William S. Richardson School of Law ranks in the top 20 for lowest student debt and its tuition is among the lowest in the nation
The Shidler College of Business undergraduate program ranks 19th in International Business in U.S.News & World Report: America's Best Colleges 2009
U.S.News & World Report: America's Best Graduate Schools 2010 ranks the Shidler College of Business graduate program in international business 21st in the nation
The Library and Information Science program school library media specialization ranks among the top 10 in the nation according to U.S.News & World Report: America's Best Graduate Schools 2010
The Myron B. Thompson School of Social Work ranks 60th among the nation's 191 graduate social work programs in U.S.News & World Report: America's Best Graduate Schools 2009
The National Science Foundation ranks UH Mânoa in the top 30 public universities for federal research funding in engineering and science
Source: University of Hawaiʻi, Institutional Research Office
Say what you want about UH, however these rankings are pretty significant for any institution. I don't think its any lower than any one Pac-10 university as a whole.
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Post by coolbean on Aug 21, 2010 7:27:39 GMT -5
Here is the latest 2010 US News National University ranking for PAC10 and Hawaii:
Stanford University 5
University of California, Berkeley 22
University of Southern california 23
University of California, Los Angeles 25
University of Washington 41
University of Colorado at Boulder 86
University of Oregon 111
Washington State University 111
University of Arizona 120
University of Utah 129
Oregon State University 139
Arizona State University 143
University Hawaii 159
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Post by Pirate VB Fan on Aug 21, 2010 10:21:33 GMT -5
Here is the latest 2010 US News National University ranking for PAC10 and Hawaii: Stanford University 5 University of California, Berkeley 22 University of Southern california 23 University of California, Los Angeles 25 University of Washington 41 University of Colorado at Boulder 86 University of Oregon 111 Washington State University 111 University of Arizona 120 University of Utah 129 Oregon State University 139 Arizona State University 143 University Hawaii 159 OK, that's it. First we kick out ASU and THEN we kill all the lawyers... |
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Post by paloalto on Aug 21, 2010 10:49:27 GMT -5
If I am permitted to go slightly off topic……The U.S. News & World Report College Rankings have become a joke in my opinion. Any ranking that would put University of Pennsylvania above MIT and Caltech is doing something wrong. Every few years they shuffle around their methodology to raise Penn’s rankings. Look at the admit rates to get a better idea of where colleges should rank.
As a Stanford fan and a volleyball fan, I would welcome Hawaii into the Pac-10. I can come up with a number of schedules to reduce the travel expense. If you think outside the box and Hawaii would be willing to play more away games than home games, it could work.
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Post by baywatcher on Aug 21, 2010 11:08:29 GMT -5
Academically, when Arizona and especially Arizona State were admitted the Pac 10 punted. I looked at air fare from Seattle to Honolulu on Orbitz for an early September weekend; $497, to Denver, $258, to Salt Lake City $473. Perhaps I should have looked later. I know from the Bay Area and LA there are plenty of good deals to Hawaii, particularly with months notice. Travel costs may be high, but ground transportation is not in Honolulu and hopefully you can get good hotel deals in the fall. Scheduling would be a pain but the MPSF model of playing twice in alternate years seems to work out OK. Volleyball wise it would be great; Washington v. Hawaii twice a year. Volleytalk would burn up the internet.
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 21, 2010 12:23:30 GMT -5
I think what you really meant to say is Washington...am I correct? You know how you have a tendency to so easily lump them in with Stanford, Cal, UCLA, and USC (more often than not). The rest of the PAC could quite easily be argued otherwise, Ay. Generalizing will get you the ZING all of the time, boy, I would try not to do it often.  It's also easily inferred that you really don't care so much for UH. Perhaps you may not want to disclose more of your itinerary, here on VT, for your (soon) visit. Not a threat, only suggesting that you don't. I'm not local, but I do know how some of the locals can be.  If the California schools REALLY wanted Hawaii to be in the Pac-10, Hawaii would be in the Pac-10. It's not about Washington or my personal opinoins. I could actually care less which conference Hawaii plays in....I'm dealing in cold hard reality.....if the Pac-10 wanted Hawaii it would be joining us, not Colorado and Utah. Whether its about money or academics or location, I dunno, but the point is that Hawaii is not legitimatley in the discussion for a Pac-10 conference invite. |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 21, 2010 12:30:59 GMT -5
Perhaps you may not want to disclose more of your itinerary, here on VT, for your (soon) visit. Not a threat, only suggesting that you don't. I'm not local, but I do know how some of the locals can be.  |
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Post by HawaiiVB on Aug 21, 2010 15:45:40 GMT -5
I think what you really meant to say is Washington...am I correct? You know how you have a tendency to so easily lump them in with Stanford, Cal, UCLA, and USC (more often than not). The rest of the PAC could quite easily be argued otherwise, Ay. Generalizing will get you the ZING all of the time, boy, I would try not to do it often. It's also easily inferred that you really don't care so much for UH. Perhaps you may not want to disclose more of your itinerary, here on VT, for your (soon) visit. Not a threat, only suggesting that you don't. I'm not local, but I do know how some of the locals can be. If the California schools REALLY wanted Hawaii to be in the Pac-10, Hawaii would be in the Pac-10. It's not about Washington or my personal opinoins. I could actually care less which conference Hawaii plays in....I'm dealing in cold hard reality.....if the Pac-10 wanted Hawaii it would be joining us, not Colorado and Utah. Whether its about money or academics or location, I dunno, but the point is that Hawaii is not legitimatley in the discussion for a Pac-10 conference invite. No one is disagreeing with you on that point. The Pac-10 can invite whomever they want for what ever reason. I was simply pointing out to which you originally alluded that UH academically was so sub par for the Pac-10. I think that UH for what it is, has done a commendable job at bringing its many colleges to a level where it is among the top universities for some programs. This was done without being in any BCS or other larger conference. I would imagine for any university that is actually in a BCS or other larger conference, they have gotten a huge boost for its programs just by being in that conference. So if say UH ever was invited into the Pac-10, then potentially its program would also get a huge boost both econimcally and reputation just by being in the conference. My purpose of listing UH's rankings was to show that UH is not "far too below Pac-10 standards". |
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Post by ay2013 on Aug 21, 2010 16:14:09 GMT -5
If the California schools REALLY wanted Hawaii to be in the Pac-10, Hawaii would be in the Pac-10. It's not about Washington or my personal opinoins. I could actually care less which conference Hawaii plays in....I'm dealing in cold hard reality.....if the Pac-10 wanted Hawaii it would be joining us, not Colorado and Utah. Whether its about money or academics or location, I dunno, but the point is that Hawaii is not legitimatley in the discussion for a Pac-10 conference invite. No one is disagreeing with you on that point. The Pac-10 can invite whomever they want for what ever reason. I was simply pointing out to which you originally alluded that UH academically was so sub par for the Pac-10. I think that UH for what it is, has done a commendable job at bringing its many colleges to a level where it is among the top universities for some programs. This was done without being in any BCS or other larger conference. I would imagine for any university that is actually in a BCS or other larger conference, they have gotten a huge boost for its programs just by being in that conference. So if say UH ever was invited into the Pac-10, then potentially its program would also get a huge boost both econimcally and reputation just by being in the conference. My purpose of listing UH's rankings was to show that UH is not "far too below Pac-10 standards". Fair enough (regarding UH's academic profile).... however my overall response was to sibrown who said "I think what you really meant to say is Washington...am I correct? You know how you have a tendency to so easily lump them in with Stanford, Cal, UCLA, and USC (more often than not). The rest of the PAC could quite easily be argued otherwise, Ay." and then proceeded to softly threaten me because of my visit to Hawaii in october. |
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It's also easily inferred that you really don't care so much for UH. 
