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Post by chisovnik on Oct 22, 2010 23:41:06 GMT -5
Does anyone know when Cook is going to be cleared to play?
I think Stanford should go with a 5-1 but let Cook set and Lichtman play on the outside. Rachel is athletic but I feel like she relied on her athleticism too much in HS/club and is having trouble playing well consistently against top teams. Klineman can carry a team but all the other hitters have not been very consistent either (Spelman has been coming along but I think we have to wait and see with her). Lichtman is the only other hitter aside from Klineman that can be consistent and for that, along with her passing/defense, I'd like to see her play O2.
Also, is Walker healthy? She has a ton of potential but it doesn't seem like she has been able to put it all together yet. I was hoping she would develop a slide during the spring because she's extremely fast and explosive but it looks like that didn't happen. It's too bad, I feel she could be really effective on the slide. I'm disappointed with the middles in general. Wopat is not getting set and Browne is way too slow and does not jump well. Brown has potential but she doesn't fit into the current lineup because Browne hits a better slide and Wopat is their best MB.
I know this sounds silly because Dunning obviously knows what he's doing but sometimes I question his ability to coach. Yes, I know you can't win every match and I'm not as frustrated that that they lost as I am with the lack of development of certain players. That being said (and I know this is kind of random), this is why I think he should go after Burgess instead of Howard for 2012. It seems like a lot of the more "raw" players that come into Stanford take a lot more time to develop than others. Howard is good but needs a lot of work while Burgess is a lot like Danielson in her skill set and style of play.
Sorry for the long/all-over-the-place post.
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Post by harryhotspur on Oct 22, 2010 23:41:35 GMT -5
I did. Same result. Only Beachman.
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Post by beachbomb on Oct 22, 2010 23:45:30 GMT -5
stanford will grow from this lose no doubt, i just can't believe it happened
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Post by holidayhusker on Oct 22, 2010 23:47:26 GMT -5
I did. Same result. Only Beachman. "But the talk of Cal being ranked over Florida should be picking up momentum." LOL...I guess insinutations arent the same thing huh Harry.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 23:48:12 GMT -5
Tarrah Murrey Pac 10 POY?? She has been great.
I agree, Burgess will help Stanford more than Howard. Howards needs to go to a program that will develop her backrow play if she wants to play on the national team someday. Shoji would do wonders with her. ;D
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Post by beachbomb on Oct 22, 2010 23:49:25 GMT -5
Klineman will get Pac 10 POY and National POY... No Questions Asked
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 22, 2010 23:50:06 GMT -5
Following observations from the video feed:
Great effort from Hawari for Cal. After the preconference matches she was the leading hitter in the country percentage wise, or very close; during conference her numbers are way down. Tonight she scored a lot of points at a high percentage and was a difference in the contest. Stephanie Browne was dominant for Stanford the first set, but after that Cal's middles caught up.
Stanford lost a lot of points returning serve with Spelman in the front left and Klineman returning serve on the right. Spelman could not convert from the left and Klineman was served repeatedly, making it difficult for her to hit from the right. On one play Spelman was running from the left to right while the Cal OH on Cal's left was hitting the ball; Spelman was lucky not to have been decapitated.
Both teams are subbing out their frosh OH and soph OPP with DS, leaving no backrow hitters when Murrey and Klineman are in the front. When the setter is also in the front hitting options become very limited. At this time Lloyd seems better at attacking than Lichtman out of the setter spot; another difference in the match.
Although Murrey and Klineman both seemed to convert when given good opportunities, the other front line players on Cal and Stanford seemed able to slow down the big hitters when given a chance (lots of soft blocks). There is tall, and there is talented tall, and both teams seem to have reasonably talented tall players. Some were criticizing Browne of Stanford as slow, and perhaps she is, but Cal is running a pretty fast offense, supposedly (hard to tell from this jerky video feed) that has had success against others. Lloyd is quick to the ball and strong on shoot sets across the court to Murrey.
The weakness in the Stanford 5-1 was pretty apparent in the hitting percentage; and Lloyd was a real difference in the Cal 5-1, which otherwise also isolated Cal's hitters against the big Stanford block. I am becoming a 6-2 fan and hope Cook can get back in time for Stanford to get theirs going again before the tournament. Barrett has subbed back row for Cal on occasion and set, letting Lloyd hit as an Opposite, but it appears Cal will not risk that in a big match or unless they trail.
Gehan ahd a positive hitting percentage for Cal tonight, which is a big step; she usually hits around .000, with an equal number kills and blocks. A function of being trapped as the bail out hitter, particularly in a rotation where Gehan is one of only two hitters.
Cal's backrow defense, a function of multiple DS and libero, was more impressive tonight than other matches observed. Kept the ball in play and gave Lloyd a chance to exercise options.
Both teams to Oregon next week and frankly, a real opportunity for the dog days of late October, early November to set in for all four teams. Tournament isn't close, no real urgency to these contests for players who have been at it since early August. Focus, Cardinal and Bears!
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Post by yungster on Oct 22, 2010 23:51:29 GMT -5
Couple of notes from the match:
Cal played great, but this was totally the Carli Lloyd show... she ran the quick offense to perfection often getting 1-1 matchups to both outsides, even a couple of open nets... (Come on, who leaves Murrey an open net to hit on). She was huge on the block, stuffing Williams several times. Her quick sets to the outside were too fast for Browne and Wopat to get to, leaving huge holes in the block.
Stanford was just outplayed for the most part... Lichtman and Browne couldn't connect. Her set location was off... There were two sets in game 4 that fell in between Spelman and Klineman, neither thinking the set was theirs. While Stanford's loose ball play was great (lots of great hustle plays). They had problems digging the hard balls.. even Gabi shanked some balls that she normally would have dug up easy.
Klineman definitely seemed to lose heat at then end of the match. I thought Lichtman needed to involve the other hitters more especially Spelman... Although Spelman started a bit slow, she was hitting much better at the end (too late) but she can't get kills if she isn't getting sets. Same for Wopat... when Wopat and Klineman were the only two hitters in the front, Wopat was all but ignored (by both Lichtman and the Cal block).
jgrout, ok I agree with you now that Stanford needs Cook back... Stanford's worst rotations were 5 and 6, both with Lichtman in the front row. In previoius matches you could rely on Klineman to get you out, but Cal's defense was good enough to run lots of points on them in those rotations. Having Lichtman hitting would keep the opposing block honest.
Also, in the rotation with Klineman front right, Spelman front left... why oh why do they keep trying to stack Klineman on the left... It's a huge traffic jam there with Spelman and Klineman both confused with passes and sets. I know Spelman isn't supposed to be passing but she's a target there for opposing servers and can't get out of the way of the server. Then on transition Spelman needs to run all the way across to block the right side... which she was too slow to do a couple of times. If Klineman stayed on the right, she'd have a clear hitting lane and could stay and block if the transition set was coming fast.
Cal #1? In my opinion yes... granted I've only seen Florida and Nebraska on television and haven't seen Hawaii... but they played practically flawless tonight. Definitely better than what I saw in the Florida/Tennessee match.
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Post by bucky415 on Oct 22, 2010 23:54:24 GMT -5
I don't think I can be accused of Pac 10 arrogance too easily, and I think Cal just might be the number one team after this.
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Post by Chris123 on Oct 22, 2010 23:57:08 GMT -5
Back from the game. Missed the first set but Stanford had much less energy than Cal in the sets I saw. I don't think they played horribly, but Cal was great. Carli Lloyd put on a show. Her sets were deceptive and pinpoint. Lichtman seemed sluggish And some of the sets Stephanie Browne got and missed were way off. I'd like to hear from Cal fans if their team regularly plays at this level. They Were perfect tonight.
I also have an athletic setter on my wish list for Stanford
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2010 23:59:01 GMT -5
The Pac just expects one of their teams to be No #1 despite how the rest of the teams in the country are performing. Its called arrogance. Umm, just how are the rest of the teams in the country performing, HH?
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Post by starsky on Oct 23, 2010 0:00:52 GMT -5
I don't think I can be accused of Pac 10 arrogance too easily, and I think Cal just might be the number one team after this. It amuses me just as Florida garnered such respect by beating Nebraska , now the same is happening when someone beats Stanford. Perhaps the Pac 10 are all struggling this year a bit but god forbid that is suggested. I have watched both Nebraska and Florida and they are looking very good.
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Post by holidayhusker on Oct 23, 2010 0:04:22 GMT -5
The Pac just expects one of their teams to be No #1 despite how the rest of the teams in the country are performing. Its called arrogance. Umm, just how are the rest of the teams in the country performing, HH? Ummm Pube.....I think Florida in all honestly is looking very solid. I don't think Cal should jump several spots to be No 1....no....but I bet you do.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 23, 2010 0:07:10 GMT -5
I don't think I can be accused of Pac 10 arrogance too easily, and I think Cal just might be the number one team after this. I don't see it happening, bucky. Cal is currently 206 points behind the Gators. What I believe will happen is this: Cal will move to two behind Florida, Stanford moves to 4 and Hawai'i moves down to 5 with Nebraska staying at 3, pending this weekend's results. I think we all should respect what the Gators have done thus far. They'll be at the top of the poll until they lose. Anyway, congrats to Cal on their victory over the Cardinal tonight.
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 23, 2010 0:07:52 GMT -5
Back from the game. Missed the first set but Stanford had much less energy than Cal in the sets I saw. I don't think they played horribly, but Cal was great. Carli Lloyd put on a show. Her sets were deceptive and pinpoint. Lichtman seemed sluggish And some of the sets Stephanie Browne got and missed were way off. I'd like to hear from Cal fans if their team regularly plays at this level. They Were perfect tonight. I also have an athletic setter on my wish list for Stanford Cal has played well. The only loss was to USC at Galen, where Cal has never won and seemingly never will, although I must give USC credit for playing well (but not much; they are, after all, the University of Spoiled Children). As outlined above, if Hawari gets back on track and Gehan gives them .150 hitting, Cal will be an excellent team, tall enough not to be overpowered by anybody.
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