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Post by volleyguy on Nov 15, 2019 12:44:50 GMT -5
“She has an incredible volleyball IQ,” Hambly said. “The level at which she understands the game is probably better than a lot of coaches in the country.” Bold statement there.. But notice he didn't go so far as to say her level is better than a lot of Volleytalk posters. ;-) The important thing is whether he's including himself in that group of coaches....
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Post by hammer on Nov 15, 2019 13:12:29 GMT -5
Several thoughts: 1) We won a national title with this rotation and Gates is a better hitter than Alade so I am not sure this is a big issue. 2) Kipp isn't hitting any better than McClure and frankly when she was subbing into the front we also got stuck in this rotation. 3) If McClure plays all six rotations we only get this rotation once while it occurs twice if we sub out for McClure due to passing issues. 4) Not sure subbing in a cold Berty, Kipp or Fidelek is a great idea. McClure is a pretty experienced player who doesn't hit it out a lot and generally can work her way out of these rotations. 5) The double sub seems even more problematic to me in terms of using up subs and having to adjust to a new setter to have a cold hitter who isn't exactly terminal. 6) The real answer is KP in the back row.... I would also argue that Stanford maybe LOST a national title with this rotation. If you remember in 2017, McClure in ro. 4 in set 5 was where Stanford got stuck vs. Florida. I think that had more to do with two Stanford team members being sick.
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Post by Word on Nov 15, 2019 13:15:41 GMT -5
I would also argue that Stanford maybe LOST a national title with this rotation. If you remember in 2017, McClure in ro. 4 in set 5 was where Stanford got stuck vs. Florida. I think that had more to do with two Stanford team members being sick. But if you go back and watch the 5th set, where did Florida go on their run? My memory could be off, but I'm pretty sure they got caught in ro 4 and McClure got blocked off the court which sealed it for Florida.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 15, 2019 13:19:41 GMT -5
I would also argue that Stanford maybe LOST a national title with this rotation. If you remember in 2017, McClure in ro. 4 in set 5 was where Stanford got stuck vs. Florida. I think that had more to do with two Stanford team members being sick. That was a National Semi; no one knows how a Final (w/ them more ill) would have gone.
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Post by hammer on Nov 15, 2019 13:21:16 GMT -5
I think that had more to do with two Stanford team members being sick. But if you go back and watch the 5th set, where did Florida go on their run? My memory could be off, but I'm pretty sure they got caught in ro 4 and McClure got blocked off the court which sealed it for Florida. I think Stanford would have swept FL if completely healthy, so no set 5.
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Post by hammer on Nov 15, 2019 13:25:10 GMT -5
I think that had more to do with two Stanford team members being sick. That was a National Semi; no one knows how a Final (w/ them more ill) would have gone. Correct, if Stanford snuck by FL and had to play Nebraska, IMO they would have lost. If Stanford was completely healthy, then it would have been around a toss-up. You would still be fighting RED's semi home court advantage.
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Post by Riviera Minestrone on Nov 15, 2019 13:41:38 GMT -5
That was a National Semi; no one knows how a Final (w/ them more ill) would have gone. Correct, if Stanford snuck by FL and had to play Nebraska, IMO they would have lost. If Stanford was completely healthy, then it would have been around a toss-up. You would still be fighting RED's semi home court advantage. One other thing: momentum counts! Very few remember that PSU had a free ball...on match point...against NEB. The setter and a front row player got tangled up, on what coulda/shoulda/woulda been their match win. So the huskers, with the semi-homecourt advantage, were on a roll! I was amazed SU did that well w/ Fitz and Hentz so sick.
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Post by Word on Nov 15, 2019 14:23:25 GMT -5
OK so they lost because they are sick. Had nothing to do with them letting up a huge run to Florida when they were stuck in rotation 4.
This argument is not about the reasons behind why they lost. The point is, I can guarantee you every team they play against knows that rotation is their achilles heal. Get your best server there, get them out of system so it goes high outside to McClure, then transition score from there. It's CLEARLY their weakest rotation, and I'm sure Hambly and crew are relieved every time they get the sideout there. That's all I'm trying to say here.
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Post by hammer on Nov 15, 2019 14:34:52 GMT -5
OK so they lost because they are sick. Had nothing to do with them letting up a huge run to Florida when they were stuck in rotation 4. This argument is not about the reasons behind why they lost. The point is, I can guarantee you every team they play against knows that rotation is their achilles heal. Get your best server there, get them out of system so it goes high outside to McClure, then transition score from there. It's CLEARLY their weakest rotation, and I'm sure Hambly and crew are relieved every time they get the sideout there. That's all I'm trying to say here. 10-4, I can't really argue against that. It was a weak rotation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2019 15:55:10 GMT -5
I can guarantee you every team they play against knows that rotation is their achilles HEAL [caps added]. Haha, is that like military intelligence??
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Post by cardinality on Nov 15, 2019 20:09:30 GMT -5
The point is, I can guarantee you every team they play against knows that rotation is their achilles heel. Get your best server there, get them out of system so it goes high outside to McClure, then transition score from there. It's CLEARLY their weakest rotation, and I'm sure Hambly and crew are relieved every time they get the sideout there. That's all I'm trying to say here. I agree with this. But can I ask a naive question that this discussion brings up? Leave aside the question of whether McClure should be used in the front row. Assuming that she is a front-row player, why isn't she used as an Opposite? Especially in a situation like Stanford's, where you have two world-class outside hitters and a third who struggles to find the floor, it seems that you'd want to use that third OH opposite the setter so that she's never in the front row by herself. In other words, you avoid glaringly weak rotations like the McClure-MB-setter one being discussed here. I'm sure there's a reason Hambly doesn't do this, but I don't know what it is. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Post by Word on Nov 15, 2019 20:36:14 GMT -5
The point is, I can guarantee you every team they play against knows that rotation is their achilles heel. Get your best server there, get them out of system so it goes high outside to McClure, then transition score from there. It's CLEARLY their weakest rotation, and I'm sure Hambly and crew are relieved every time they get the sideout there. That's all I'm trying to say here. I agree with this. But can I ask a naive question that's this discussion brings up? Leave aside the question of whether McClure should be used in the front row. Assuming that she is a front-row player, why isn't she used as an Opposite? Especially in a situation like Stanford's, where you have two world-class outside hitters and a third who struggles to find the floor, it seems that you'd want to use that third OH opposite the setter so that she's never in the front row by herself. In other words, you avoid glaringly weak rotations like the McClure-MB-setter one being discussed here. I'm sure there's a reason Hambly doesn't do this, but I don't know what it is. Anyone care to enlighten me? You give me 10 minutes I bet I could create a fun lineup where McClure is lined up as the rightside but plays outside. Fitz would have to hit outside for the one rotation she isn’t up with McClure and Plummer would go rightside the one rotation she is front row with McClure. Would take practice but it’s possible. Actually could be very successful. The key though is that even though McClure would be lined up opposite the setter, she never would block right.
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Post by waynevb1 on Nov 16, 2019 1:58:43 GMT -5
10 whole minutes? Wow! I can name that tune in 10 seconds, because it's basically what Russ Rose is doing this season at Penn St with Jonni Parker (lined up at OH2 but primarily hitting OPP) and Tori Gorrell (lined up at OPP but primarily hitting OH). In 99% of the systems out there, rotation 1 has the setter right back serving, followed by the OH1. All you have to do is swap the OHs and MBs so that the MB1 follows the setter. Done!
Also, I don't know why this is even a discussion. So the argument is that Stanford's weakest rotation is where the OH2 is in the front row with the setter. News flash -- that's true for just about every damn team in the country. It's no secret to anyone that McClure isn't the most terminal hitter. But as a complement to an OH1 like Plummer, she's about perfect (both figuratively and literally in that the girl just doesn't make hitting errors). Agree you'd never want her paired with another non-terminal OH1, but you cannot ignore what she brings to the table.
As for the Florida match, many of you conveniently forget that McClure was arguably Stanford's most effective attacker in sets 1-4 (11 kills and only 1 error). A freshman ran out of gas in the 5th set of the national semifinal and couldn't carry her sick teammates the rest of the way. OMG, let's crucify her!!!
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Post by hammer on Nov 16, 2019 2:58:51 GMT -5
Recruits were spotted tonight at the USC match: A Smith, L Smith, E Oglivie, and two unknowns. One of the unknowns was very tall, at least 6'6". There were sitting in the middle of the home end zone section about 8 rows up from the floor.
Edit: One of the unknowns is Sami Francis, 6'6", La Jolla Country Day School.
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Post by vbjustice on Nov 16, 2019 8:57:22 GMT -5
Recruits were spotted tonight at the USC match: A Smith, L Smith, E Oglivie, and two unknowns. One of the unknowns was very tall, at least 6'6". There were sitting in the middle of the home end zone section about 8 rows up from the floor. Edit: One of the unknowns is Sami Francis, 6'6", La Jolla Country Day School. No Miner?
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