|
Post by Momof2D3 on Sept 21, 2011 5:30:10 GMT -5
The match between Coast Guard and Springfield was intense. Springfield's win pushed them to #25 in the Sept. 20th poll. UMass Boston is at 18.
MIT lost to Wellesley last night 3-1 (27-25, 18-25, 25-15, 25-20). Not really sure why they are getting more votes than Coast Guard. The MIT Invitational is this weekend and there should be some good New England action there.
Trinity vs UMass Boston "The visiting Trinity College Bantams lost a hard-fought match against the University of Massachusetts-Boston Beacons in volleyball action this evening. Trinity falls to 6-1, putting an end to the fastest start to a season in program history, while the Beacons, ranked No. 18 in the nation, improve to 6-2 with their sixth consecutive victory. Trinity fell behind in the match, 2-0, with a 25-20 lost in the first set and a 26-24 defeat in the second set, but rallied to take the third set, 25-19. The Beacons pulled out the fourth and deciding set, 25-22."
|
|
|
Post by tmb on Sept 21, 2011 5:32:14 GMT -5
Rank School (First-Place Votes) Total Points 2011 Record Last Week 1 Calvin (22) 598 11-0 1 2 Washington-St. Louis (2) 578 14-0 2 3 Wittenberg 550 8-1 3 4 Emory 529 13-1 4 5 Eastern 491 9-1 5 6 Christopher Newport 482 9-2 6 7 Carthage 456 11-2 8 8 Heidelberg 406 10-2 11 9 Southwestern (Texas) 385 9-2 10 10 Concordia (Minn.) 370 11-2 15 11 Juniata 346 6-4 9 12 St. Thomas (Minn.) 332 10-2 7 13 Hope 291 9-2 13 14 Colorado College 276 9-3 12 15 Cal Lutheran 264 7-4 14 16 Puget Sound 240 10-0 16 17 Chicago 191 11-0 18 18 UMass-Boston 166 5-2 19 19 Pacific Lutheran 142 9-1 20 20 SUNY Cortland 123 13-0 21 21 Wisconsin-Whitewater 113 8-3 22 22 Occidental 104 7-2 NR 23 Wisconsin-Platteville 96 8-4 17 24 Wartburg 69 9-2 24 25 Springfield 32 10-0 NR Others Receiving Votes and listed on two or more ballots: MIT 21; Nebraska Wesleyan 20; Trinity (Texas) 20; Washington & Lee 15; St. Olaf 14; Coast Guard 12; Whitworth 11; Elmhurst 6; Bethany (WV) 2
|
|
|
Post by noreaster on Sept 22, 2011 12:03:27 GMT -5
So Southern Vermont beat St. Lawrence, but maybe they had a bad day. They whipped Ithaca, but maybe thery aren't as good as Ithaca teams in the past. Now they beat Williams, but it's Williams 4th loss in a row.
Unfortunately, Southern Vermont's schedule doesn't have any more big names, but they are 15-2, and look for all the world like they should go 29-2 and walk into the NCAA tournament. Are those 3 wins enough to get them ranked in their region? Can they get a higher seed in the NE region or are they going to have to take on a UMass Boston or Tufts right off the bat?
|
|
|
Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 22, 2011 12:07:51 GMT -5
So Southern Vermont beat St. Lawrence, but maybe they had a bad day. They whipped Ithaca, but maybe thery aren't as good as Ithaca teams in the past. Now they beat Williams, but it's Williams 4th loss in a row. Unfortunately, Southern Vermont's schedule doesn't have any more big names, but they are 15-2, and look for all the world like they should go 29-2 and walk into the NCAA tournament. Are those 3 wins enough to get them ranked in their region? Can they get a higher seed in the NE region or are they going to have to take on a UMass Boston or Tufts right off the bat? With any luck, they could get MIT. They'd have a legitimate chance against them.
|
|
|
Post by crawdaddy on Sept 22, 2011 12:32:47 GMT -5
How come there are no NESCAC colleges ranked among the top D-III schools? Seems like they do will in most D-III sports, but lag behind in volleyball.
|
|
|
Post by jcvball22 on Sept 22, 2011 12:46:00 GMT -5
NESCAC schools are at a disadvantage due to lack of training opportunity (they start later than everyone else by conference mandate and are not allowed to train in the off-season). so while they may bring in talent from across the country, the development aspect can become problematic, as there is only the true "in-season" time that the coaches are allowed to be in the gym with them.
In all honesty, the New England region is still the weakest of the 8 (although it could be argued that NY has taken over that honor recently). The days of Wellesley and Williams truly competing on a national level are long gone. Hopefully, UMass-Boston can continue to improve and bring some respect back to the region.
|
|
|
Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 22, 2011 12:49:22 GMT -5
How come there are no NESCAC colleges ranked among the top D-III schools? Seems like they do will in most D-III sports, but lag behind in volleyball. The highest ranked NESCAC team in Pablo is Tufts out at 45. The conference itself is not bad, because it is fairly deep (ranked 11th in D3), and all but 2 teams are above D3 average, but no one is setting themselves far above the others. Maybe someone will take over in the conference season. Contrast that with the NEWomen&Men's conference, which is rated lower overall (17), but Springfield (and to a lesser extent, Coast Guard) are well ahead of the pack
|
|
|
Post by crawdaddy on Sept 22, 2011 12:54:33 GMT -5
How come there are no NESCAC colleges ranked among the top D-III schools? Seems like they do will in most D-III sports, but lag behind in volleyball. The highest ranked NESCAC team in Pablo is Tufts out at 45. The conference itself is not bad, because it is fairly deep (ranked 11th in D3), and all but 2 teams are above D3 average, but no one is setting themselves far above the others. Maybe someone will take over in the conference season. Contrast that with the NEWomen&Men's conference, which is rated lower overall (17), but Springfield (and to a lesser extent, Coast Guard) are well ahead of the pack Interesting. Does seem like a lot of parity in the NESCAC, but no college has stepped up to establish a top program the way some similar academic colleges have like Wash U. and Emory.
|
|
|
Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Sept 22, 2011 13:12:43 GMT -5
The highest ranked NESCAC team in Pablo is Tufts out at 45. The conference itself is not bad, because it is fairly deep (ranked 11th in D3), and all but 2 teams are above D3 average, but no one is setting themselves far above the others. Maybe someone will take over in the conference season. Contrast that with the NEWomen&Men's conference, which is rated lower overall (17), but Springfield (and to a lesser extent, Coast Guard) are well ahead of the pack Interesting. Does seem like a lot of parity in the NESCAC, but no college has stepped up to establish a top program the way some similar academic colleges have like Wash U. and Emory. Remember, the northeast of the US is not a hotbed for volleyball at any level. Penn State is awesome, yes, and NYU has been strong in the past, but jeez, given the number of teams out there, you are bound to find one or two. In D3, the top conferences are dominated by the midwest (mainly because there aren't a lot of d3 schools out west - the ones that are there are relatively very strong). The best D3 conference in the NE is probably the NCA at 10. Moreover, the bottom of D3 is all in the NE, maybe one non-NE conference in the bottom 10. D2 is more spread out, going north (Northern Sun), south (Sunshine State), and west (CCAA), among others, and the best conference in the NE is who, Penn St at 16 maybe (out of 23)? In D1, the top conferences are also everywhere except in the NE. The ACC is pretty strong, but I wouldn't call that NE. The Big East probably is probably the best of those with significant number of teams in the NE, and that is around the 10th best right now. This isn't meant to be a criticism or anything, but it is the landscape of volleyball in the US. There are a lot of colleges out east - a lot - but most of them are relatively weak in volleyball compared to those from the rest of the country. We could discuss reasons for it all day if we wanted.
|
|
|
Post by crawdaddy on Sept 22, 2011 14:52:48 GMT -5
Interesting. Does seem like a lot of parity in the NESCAC, but no college has stepped up to establish a top program the way some similar academic colleges have like Wash U. and Emory. Remember, the northeast of the US is not a hotbed for volleyball at any level. Penn State is awesome, yes, and NYU has been strong in the past, but jeez, given the number of teams out there, you are bound to find one or two. In D3, the top conferences are dominated by the midwest (mainly because there aren't a lot of d3 schools out west - the ones that are there are relatively very strong). The best D3 conference in the NE is probably the NCA at 10. Moreover, the bottom of D3 is all in the NE, maybe one non-NE conference in the bottom 10. D2 is more spread out, going north (Northern Sun), south (Sunshine State), and west (CCAA), among others, and the best conference in the NE is who, Penn St at 16 maybe (out of 23)? In D1, the top conferences are also everywhere except in the NE. The ACC is pretty strong, but I wouldn't call that NE. The Big East probably is probably the best of those with significant number of teams in the NE, and that is around the 10th best right now. This isn't meant to be a criticism or anything, but it is the landscape of volleyball in the US. There are a lot of colleges out east - a lot - but most of them are relatively weak in volleyball compared to those from the rest of the country. We could discuss reasons for it all day if we wanted. Yes, I understand the distribution of volleyball talent at the high school level does not favor the NE. But when you're talking colleges like Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, Tufts, etc. they have national reputations academically and I would think they could import talent (just as when you look at most Ivy league rosters, half the kids are from Cali). But you are right that there are so many DIII liberal arts colleges in the NE it certainly dilutes the distribution of talent.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2011 15:29:10 GMT -5
Remember, the northeast of the US is not a hotbed for volleyball at any level. Penn State is awesome, yes, and NYU has been strong in the past, but jeez, given the number of teams out there, you are bound to find one or two. In D3, the top conferences are dominated by the midwest (mainly because there aren't a lot of d3 schools out west - the ones that are there are relatively very strong). The best D3 conference in the NE is probably the NCA at 10. Moreover, the bottom of D3 is all in the NE, maybe one non-NE conference in the bottom 10. D2 is more spread out, going north (Northern Sun), south (Sunshine State), and west (CCAA), among others, and the best conference in the NE is who, Penn St at 16 maybe (out of 23)? In D1, the top conferences are also everywhere except in the NE. The ACC is pretty strong, but I wouldn't call that NE. The Big East probably is probably the best of those with significant number of teams in the NE, and that is around the 10th best right now. This isn't meant to be a criticism or anything, but it is the landscape of volleyball in the US. There are a lot of colleges out east - a lot - but most of them are relatively weak in volleyball compared to those from the rest of the country. We could discuss reasons for it all day if we wanted. Yes, I understand the distribution of volleyball talent at the high school level does not favor the NE. But when you're talking colleges like Williams, Amherst, Middlebury, Tufts, etc. they have national reputations academically and I would think they could import talent (just as when you look at most Ivy league rosters, half the kids are from Cali). But you are right that there are so many DIII liberal arts colleges in the NE it certainly dilutes the distribution of talent. For women's sports, at least those schools are strong in outdoor team sports like soccer, field hockey, and lacrosse. I think volleyball comes up short because a lot of the better players that would be accepted to those schools go to academically similar DII and DI programs. There's a handful of Ivies in each division, although they don't carry the formal name, their academic reputation is just as good, if not better in some cases.
|
|
|
Post by tmb on Sept 22, 2011 19:34:54 GMT -5
In addition the training time issue the NESCAC's are limited on dates they can play and next year their conference went to SIX conference weekends. They hardly have a date to play in tough local tournaments, never mind travel out of region.
I like to outdoor sport arguement but I feel like both the men's and women's basketball were in the final four last year.
|
|
|
Post by tmb on Sept 22, 2011 19:37:01 GMT -5
oh...and nice win for SVC.
|
|
|
Post by tmb on Sept 24, 2011 4:10:29 GMT -5
MIT Invitational page - www.mitathletics.com/sports/w-volley/2011-12/releases/20110903v52tve4:00 p.m. MIT def. Newbury, 3-0 (25-9, 25-14, 25-16) Springfield def. Regis, 3-0 (25-11, 25-14, 25-10) Conn. College def. Wellesley, 3-1 (23-25, 25-20, 25-21, 25-11) Tufts def. Endicott, 3-2 (19-25, 25-23, 24-26, 25-14, 15-12) 6:00 p.m. Colby def. Newbury, 3-0 (25-14, 25-19, 25-17) Williams def. Regis, 3-0 (25-12, 25-6, 25-13) Frostburg State def. Wellesley, 3-2 (20-25, 18-25, 25-20, 25-22, 17-15) Endicott def. Smith, 3-1 (25-20, 12-25, 25-22, 25-10) 8:00 p.m. MIT def. Colby, 3-0 (25-22, 25-20, 25-22) Springfield def. Williams, 3-1 (20-25, 25-16, 25-13, 25-23) Conn. College def. Frostburg State, 3-2 (25-27, 25-21, 23-25, 25-12, 15-12) Tufts def. Smith, 3-0 (25-13, 25-16, 25-9) Saturday, Sept. 24 Gold Bracket 12:00: MIT vs. Conn. College (Semifinal) 12:00: Springfield vs. Tufts (Semifinal) 4:00: Championship 4:00: Consolation (Third Place) Silver Bracket 12:00: Colby vs. Frostburg State 12:00: Williams vs. Endicott 4:00: Championship (Fifth Place) 4:00: Consolation (Seventh Place) Bronze Bracket 10:00: Newbury vs. Wellesley 10:00: Regis vs. Smith 2:00: Championship (Ninth Place) 2:00: Consolation (11th Place)
|
|
|
Post by Momof2D3 on Sept 25, 2011 9:37:09 GMT -5
MIT Invitational Results: www.mitathletics.com/sports/w-volley/2011-12/releases/20110903v52tveSpringfield wins and is off to its best start in program history, now 15-0. Congrats to the Pride and new head coach Moira Long. Gold Bracket Semifinal: Conn. College def. MIT, 3-0 (25-22, 25-18, 25-22) Semifinal: Springfield def. Tufts, 3-1 (25-22, 25-21, 22-25, 25-15) Championship: Springfield def. Conn. College, 3-1 (20-25, 25-20, 25-21, 25-13) Third Place: Tufts def. MIT, 3-1 (22-25, 27-25, 25-16, 25-17) Silver Bracket Frostburg State def. Colby, 3-0 (25-20, 25-12, 25-22) Williams def. Endicott, 3-2 (25-21, 20-25, 25-23, 21-25, 15-10) Fifth Place: Williams def. Frostburg State, 3-2 (21-25, 25-20, 22-25, 25-21, 15-13) Seventh Place: Endicott def. Colby, 3-1 (26-24, 25-21, 20-25, 26-24) Bronze Bracket Wellesley def. Newbury, 3-0 (25-9, 25-9, 25-20) Smith def. Regis, 3-0 (25-15, 25-18, 25-21) Ninth Place: Wellesley def. Smith, 3-0 (25-22, 25-14, 25-8) 11th Place: Newbury def. Regis, 3-0 (25-17, 25-20, 25-16) All-Tournament Team Claire Miller, Williams College Natasha Jensen, MIT Hayley Hopper, Tufts University Rachel Schroff, Connecticut College Amy Newman, Connecticut College Lauren Torvi, Springfield College Tournament MVP: Tessa Smolinski, Springfield College Final Standings 1. Springfield College 2. Connecticut College 3. Tufts University 4. MIT 5. Williams College 6. Frostburg State University 7. Endicott College 8. Colby College 9. Wellesley College 10. Smith College 11. Newbury College 12. Regis College
|
|