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Post by Not Me on Nov 10, 2011 7:16:33 GMT -5
NCAA tournament in their first year. 2-23 with a 21 match losing street in their 3rd. Yikes.
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Post by tigersroar on Nov 10, 2011 7:25:11 GMT -5
Last day is scheduled for 11/18. Rolling on to new adventures professionally and personally. This opening does not refer to the marketing mistake in Latin America. After some looking into.. I find your "hint" correct Glad you found the hint!
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Post by karellen on Nov 10, 2011 8:21:53 GMT -5
Lake Forest and Michigan Tech are surprising.
Unfortunately, the press release for Orlando's leaving Mich Tech seems a bit short and terse. I hope there is not a story there. There is nothing on the Lake Forest site about Coach Saylor's leaving.
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Post by ja on Nov 10, 2011 9:06:18 GMT -5
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Post by ja on Nov 10, 2011 9:10:24 GMT -5
NCAA tournament in their first year. 2-23 with a 21 match losing street in their 3rd. Yikes. It's actually 2-25.
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 10, 2011 9:33:43 GMT -5
I've heard Orlando was an outstanding club coach with USA Michigan, but considering his total lack of success at Rutgers and now at Michigan Tech, was he benefitting from some other circumstance that just helped him to look good?
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Post by lonewolf on Nov 10, 2011 10:10:04 GMT -5
I've heard Orlando was an outstanding club coach with USA Michigan, but considering his total lack of success at Rutgers and now at Michigan Tech, was he benefitting from some other circumstance that just helped him to look good? Possibly, but we must also remember that a successful club coach, a successful college head coach does not automatically make (and vice versa for that matter)
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Post by karellen on Nov 10, 2011 10:27:08 GMT -5
No surprise, but it is still odd to see it. Denise has been an institution and will be hard to replace - class act!
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Post by vbguy08 on Nov 10, 2011 10:47:29 GMT -5
I don't know how good of a coach Orlando was with his club but his teams at Rutgers and Tech have not been very good at all. I think his hiring decisions should come into question with his staff, as well as the kids he recruits. There are a lot of questionable moves. Orlando is a good guy, just doesn't seem to be a good coach...
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Post by verycurious on Nov 10, 2011 10:49:15 GMT -5
He can coach, period. In comparing last year to this year, it looks like injuries played a big part this year @ Tech. I'd like to see him get a few years of doing his thing and bringing in his kids, etc. Both situations had him taking over during the summer if I'm correct. Rutgers wasn't very good before his arrival and since his departure, so was it all on Orlando during his short stint there that Rutgers wasn't better? BTW, I understand that he significantly exceeded expectations in taking Tech to the tournament his first year. How about some credit for that?
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Post by abugslife on Nov 10, 2011 11:15:43 GMT -5
He can coach, period. In comparing last year to this year, it looks like injuries played a big part this year @ Tech. I'd like to see him get a few years of doing his thing and bringing in his kids, etc. Both situations had him taking over during the summer if I'm correct. Rutgers wasn't very good before his arrival and since his departure, so was it all on Orlando during his short stint there that Rutgers wasn't better? BTW, I understand that he significantly exceeded expectations in taking Tech to the tournament his first year. How about some credit for that? Then why leave after 2 seasons, especially one that exceeded expectations? Wouldn't the administration understand that injuries happen?
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Post by Not Me on Nov 10, 2011 11:57:44 GMT -5
In 2009, the team that exceeded expectations was under .500
as per Rich Kern:
2011 - 2-25 / 0-19 2010 - 5-21 / 2-16 2009 - 14-15 / 10-6
Before he got there:
2008 - 19-11 / 12-4
so there is a downward trend
At Rutgers, his win % declined steadily in the 3 years he has been there.
And it was significantly lower than than coach he replaced.
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Post by verycurious on Nov 10, 2011 11:58:37 GMT -5
I don't think in most cases that administrators can live with injuries being the sole reason for a poor season. If you're living that situation day to day as the coach and team, it makes sense. From a distance it's viewed as an excuse. You'd need to get to next season to verify that injuries were the reason the poor season, or possibly not.
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Post by Semp12 on Nov 10, 2011 20:05:19 GMT -5
He can coach, period. In comparing last year to this year, it looks like injuries played a big part this year @ Tech. I'd like to see him get a few years of doing his thing and bringing in his kids, etc. Both situations had him taking over during the summer if I'm correct. Rutgers wasn't very good before his arrival and since his departure, so was it all on Orlando during his short stint there that Rutgers wasn't better? BTW, I understand that he significantly exceeded expectations in taking Tech to the tournament his first year. How about some credit for that? Taking over during the summer can be an excuse for one recruiting class, but not sure about any more than that. In fact, the year he took over at RU and Tech were his best years, so there goes that argument.. You clearly didn't look anything up, but just posted what you thought. While RU is not good now, and not great before he got there, he drove them into the ground, and put them in the bottom 2% of D1 programs.. It looks like he did the same with Tech from the records. To be honest, it is not easy for any program to recover from something like that. Worst part is that most of the team hated him at Rutgers.. Or perhaps the worst part is that he will probably be offered another job?
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Post by oldman on Nov 10, 2011 21:19:14 GMT -5
He can coach, period. In comparing last year to this year, it looks like injuries played a big part this year @ Tech. I'd like to see him get a few years of doing his thing and bringing in his kids, etc. Both situations had him taking over during the summer if I'm correct. Rutgers wasn't very good before his arrival and since his departure, so was it all on Orlando during his short stint there that Rutgers wasn't better? BTW, I understand that he significantly exceeded expectations in taking Tech to the tournament his first year. How about some credit for that? Taking over during the summer can be an excuse for one recruiting class, but not sure about any more than that. In fact, the year he took over at RU and Tech were his best years, so there goes that argument.. You clearly didn't look anything up, but just posted what you thought. While RU is not good now, and not great before he got there, he drove them into the ground, and put them in the bottom 2% of D1 programs.. It looks like he did the same with Tech from the records. To be honest, it is not easy for any program to recover from something like that. Worst part is that most of the team hated him at Rutgers.. Or perhaps the worst part is that he will probably be offered another job? Most teams that lose a lot usually blame/hate their coach. Just saying.
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