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Post by vbcosta14 on Feb 26, 2007 22:46:26 GMT -5
Arnie Ball knows about volleyball more than anyone in the nation. Perhaps, Carl Mcgown is in that group too. They are level 3 FIVB coaches. Arnie doesnt agree with the NCAA rules on choosing referees. He is more dedicate to the international game of volleyball and the rules that FIVB approve. I know him very well and always like to learn from his knowledege of the game.
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Post by gobears on Feb 26, 2007 23:17:58 GMT -5
Knowing a lot about volleyball or Santa Claus for that matter cuts no slack on such behavior. Yes I know exactly who he is and who Coach McGown is. This is 9 year old behavior that would put any 9 year old in deep doodoo...
Throwing towels/something, spitting, swearing at refs, opposing coach, coming back on the floor and continuing....
For starters I hope his family made him literally spend the nite in the snow in the doghouse...
and a standup apology to his team, his AD, his school President, Coach Walton, the refs involved whether they made bad calls, or missed an important call... and signed up for an anger management course... and put himself on the bench with his asst coaches in charge for a couple weeks of matches....
MAYBE he could show that he was truly remorseful...but I wouldn't hold my breath.
A physical attack next time?
The man needs serious help....and being allowed to continue as Head Coach is highly debatable.
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Post by EyeNoLilVeeBall on Feb 26, 2007 23:54:52 GMT -5
Go Bears.......I hope I am sensing some sarcasm in your posts. 1. I think you are all for the growth of Men's Volleyball - getting rid of Arnie of something as meaningless as the stories would set Men's volleyball in the Midwest (and in turn the entire US) back more years then can be recovered. 2. I really hope you are not calling for his head when you werent even in attendance. That would be really big of you. 3. If what really happened is anything like typical Arnie - its less serious and more funny then anything else. He bangs score tables and sits in the stands almost every week. Throwing a towel is no more serious.
But as I said to start....I really hope I am sensing sarcasm.
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Post by Jmpsrv15 on Feb 27, 2007 0:51:55 GMT -5
You guys ever hear of this one guy...i think his name is bobby knight? ya i'm pretty sure hes still coaching.
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Post by palo on Feb 27, 2007 11:41:53 GMT -5
I don't think he spit on BSU's coach. Had he he should at least be suspended. But with his track record coach Ball should at least get the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes he likes to sit in the stands no big deal. But he has been great for volleyball and made a respectable program at Fort Wayne. And yes some of these refs are so bad it is unbelievable.
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Post by gobears on Feb 27, 2007 11:56:53 GMT -5
I started my comments with "if what happend is as reported" and that still applies. Of course I wasn't there, but funny/temperamental is one thing.....those who were there didn't report it that way at all...and apparently the ref didn't think so either.
VB knowledge is great... write books and give clinics. Being an important force for men's vball in the midwest is fine....this should include being a top notch role model. There are plenty of fine coaches that do that.
If this was a big time temper tantrum, (yes you heard sarcasm), it needs to be shut down asap.
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Post by spcttr on Feb 27, 2007 19:13:17 GMT -5
If this is how the events transpired, I have two questions: 1. Did he return to the bench, or was he MIA after the red card? 2. Why would he direct any of his anger at Walton?
I have seen Coach Ball start matches in the bleachers (2005 MIVA Tourney finals at Loyola). Fans loved it, and his players didn't seem too concerned. That is different than "walking out" on his team in the 5th game of a conference match. Fire him? No. But, does the school/athletic dept. have a responsibility to address this with Coach Ball? Definitely; they owe that to the athletes for whom they are responsible for. And, I would hope he spoke with his team afterwards.
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Post by junta1 on Feb 27, 2007 21:35:24 GMT -5
If this is how the events transpired, I have two questions: 1. Did he return to the bench, or was he MIA after the red card? 2. Why would he direct any of his anger at Walton? I have seen Coach Ball start matches in the bleachers (2005 MIVA Tourney finals at Loyola). Fans loved it, and his players didn't seem too concerned. That is different than "walking out" on his team in the 5th game of a conference match. Fire him? No. But, does the school/athletic dept. have a responsibility to address this with Coach Ball? Definitely; they owe that to the athletes for whom they are responsible for. And, I would hope he spoke with his team after wards. Coach Ball did not walk out on his team, he was forced out. BIIGG DEAL. I would have been pissed too. What do you expect, a manikin on the side lines. He's got a hart and is sharing it with his players. Cut him some slack. Of course the AD has a responsibility to address this issue. He is under a lot of stress. I say some yoga classes and a tropical vacation. I'm sure he spoke with the team, and whomever needs an apology will get it, he's a gentleman. Go DONS P.S. I got my tikets for OHIO ready
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Post by spcttr on Feb 27, 2007 22:45:06 GMT -5
Was he ejected? It was described as a red card by another poster. If he was ejected, that is one thing. But if he walked out of the gym, without being ejected, that is quite another.
Motivating your players by being emotional is fine with me, as is getting carded. But I am still unclear as to the alleged swearing and spitting at Coach Walton. If that did occur, that falls into a different category.
Great coach, great teacher, committed to his players. I don't question any of that when it comes to Arnie Ball. He is a drill sergeant to be sure. But there is a line that all coaches, regardless of level or sport, need to always be mindful of.
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Post by midwestfan on Feb 28, 2007 12:20:50 GMT -5
I was at this game and here is what I saw. First off, I'm not related to a player, coach or anyone connected with IPFW. I was fairly close to the court on the bench side and had a pretty good view. I thought I saw Colin get a yellow card and then Arnie just received the red card without a yellow card preceding it. He was ejected from the game but needless to say, he took his sweet time getting off the court. He did throw a towel (not at anyone in particular and not hard), he was yelling but I didn't hear any four letter words and I definitely did not see him spit at Joel. It really was more humorous than serious (it was typical Arnie!). He and Joel had been kinda sparing the entire evening. Joel was constantly going to the down ref complaining about something and Arnie would jump up and protect his boys. It is probably a good thing that he got ejected because if he had been around when the ref called a double contact on Steve Rodgers ... he probably would have really lost it.
With that being said, this was the most boring match of volleyball that I have ever attended. I was trying to find the play by play for the match to refresh my memory but it wasn't posted. I'll swear the first 15 out of 20 points for IPFW had to be on BS errors. IPFW didn't get a chance to really run their offense. IPFW was ahead the whole time until the end and I think they were just bored to death!
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Post by spcttr on Feb 28, 2007 15:09:20 GMT -5
If what Midwestfan is saying is accurate, then I can see this as a "non-issue." Being ejected by a ref can be explained out in a variety of ways. If there was no intentional towel-throwing, and there was no spitting (which I could not picture a coach doing, especially Coach Ball), then it is time to move on. Two versions of the same event have been posted. No offense to anyone, but I hope Midwestfan's version is the correct one.
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Post by ballingoutofcontro on Feb 28, 2007 16:06:41 GMT -5
I think this event is being blown out of proportion. Plenty of coaches have been kicked out of games for certain reasons. I don't think it is a problem unless he does something such as hurting somebody of offending them in a horrible way. I dont agree with Arnie throwing a towel or supposedly spiting(Which is what i thought i saw), but honestly look at other college coaches for instance. Does Bobby Knight ring a bell, he did throw chairs on courts and he is one of the greatest basketball coaches of all time. I think that this conversation should be over so we can all move on with or lives.
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