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Post by sevb on Nov 11, 2011 20:06:54 GMT -5
My daughter was not happy at her college – full ride scholarship – she talked with the coach, got a release and recommendation. She then got a walk-on at a new college (no free ride) and started the Spring Quarter. I consider both coaches to be friends and have contact with them. Spots scholarships are great – they should not be the basis of your daughter’s life. If she is un-happy move on. I paid for my daughter’s college, it was not “cheap” – my rules were grades first, volleyball second and social third. She graduated magna cum laude. +1
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Post by gtvb1 on Nov 11, 2011 21:02:48 GMT -5
permission to speak and a release are two separate things. Huh?? Name a case where a player was given "permission to speak" without being given a roster release. First question a coach asks the player/parent is, "Have you been released?" Doesn't matter in this scenario anyway. This kid wants to quit the team and not participate. No work = no money.
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Post by volleyguy on Nov 11, 2011 21:16:39 GMT -5
An athlete can get a permission to speak, and 1) decide to stay 2) request a release 3) get denied for a release 4) or get a limited release (i.e. not in the same conference).
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Post by Not Me on Nov 11, 2011 21:49:53 GMT -5
permission to speak and a release are two separate things. Huh?? Name a case where a player was given "permission to speak" without being given a roster release. First question a coach asks the player/parent is, "Have you been released?" Doesn't matter in this scenario anyway. This kid wants to quit the team and not participate. No work = no money. Happens all the time. And they are two different things from the NCAA perspective. They can't stop you from transferring, but without a release, the player has to sit a year. Really, the release is an exemption to the transfer-residence requirement. This is explained in section 14.5.5.2 of the DI manual. The need for permission to talk to the student athlete is detailed in section 13.1.1.3 of the manual.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 11, 2011 22:15:32 GMT -5
permission to speak and a release are two separate things. Huh?? Name a case where a player was given "permission to speak" without being given a roster release. First question a coach asks the player/parent is, "Have you been released?" Doesn't matter in this scenario anyway. This kid wants to quit the team and not participate. No work = no money. Yep permission to contact and a release are too separate things.a school I was at before gave a permission to contact but no release because we didn't want to release her.
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Post by gtvb1 on Nov 11, 2011 22:57:26 GMT -5
Huh?? Name a case where a player was given "permission to speak" without being given a roster release. First question a coach asks the player/parent is, "Have you been released?" Doesn't matter in this scenario anyway. This kid wants to quit the team and not participate. No work = no money. Yep permission to contact and a release are too separate things.a school I was at before gave a permission to contact but no release because we didn't want to release her. I stand corrected, but I've still never seen it personally. The coaches I know that have been approached about transferring just outright released the player. I guess that rationale is, if you don't think this is the right place for you - go somewhere else. Still, in the OP's post - his kid wants to quit & keep getting paid to attend school and not be a part of the team. That just won't happen. She'll have to work in some capacity in the athletic department or she'll lose her aid. She won't just go to school for free and not earn it.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 11, 2011 23:10:28 GMT -5
Yep permission to contact and a release are too separate things.a school I was at before gave a permission to contact but no release because we didn't want to release her. I stand corrected, but I've still never seen it personally. The coaches I know that have been approached about transferring just outright released the player. I guess that rationale is, if you don't think this is the right place for you - go somewhere else. Still, in the OP's post - his kid wants to quit & keep getting paid to attend school and not be a part of the team. That just won't happen. She'll have to work in some capacity in the athletic department or she'll lose her aid. She won't just go to school for free and not earn it. Yes I agree with you on what the poster wants with quitting the team and free school.
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Post by Not Me on Nov 11, 2011 23:16:41 GMT -5
If I were you, I would really, really, really edit your posts. You gave way too many details. Withing 1.5 minutes I was able to identify the school, and about 45 seconds more I found your player.. and I'm not even an insider. Any goodwill you might have can be easily erased if the coach/AD knows you were bitching on VT about this. man, you beat me to it.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 11, 2011 23:55:42 GMT -5
If I were you, I would really, really, really edit your posts. You gave way too many details. Withing 1.5 minutes I was able to identify the school, and about 45 seconds more I found your player.. and I'm not even an insider. Any goodwill you might have can be easily erased if the coach/AD knows you were bitching on VT about this. man, you beat me to it. Yep diddo already found the school as well!!! Would that be considered the south?
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Post by vbnerd on Nov 12, 2011 2:08:24 GMT -5
Dusty,
Here's the part you may not want to hear. Most schools looking for transfers are looking for major conference kids sliding down to get more playing time, or maybe a kid from a winning program who can help build their culture.
When the player is sitting on a 5-24 team, a lot of school's aren't going to be interested, and the ones that are may not be willing to bet a scholarship on her. She may be be looking at a partial scholarship to an NAIA or something.
For the record, a lot of seniors enjoy the spring before without having another season because they love to play volleyball. In exchange for her education, she needs to play a game... that's hardly slavery. Full funding is 12 scholarships but those teams don't play 12 players, they pay people to sit there and be ready to set 61 assists if need be.
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Post by BearClause on Nov 12, 2011 2:27:16 GMT -5
Yep permission to contact and a release are too separate things.a school I was at before gave a permission to contact but no release because we didn't want to release her. I stand corrected, but I've still never seen it personally. The coaches I know that have been approached about transferring just outright released the player. I guess that rationale is, if you don't think this is the right place for you - go somewhere else. Still, in the OP's post - his kid wants to quit & keep getting paid to attend school and not be a part of the team. That just won't happen. She'll have to work in some capacity in the athletic department or she'll lose her aid. She won't just go to school for free and not earn it. Jessica Yanz from Penn State to Nebraska. She was granted permission to talk to Nebraska, but when it came time for the actual transfer, she wasn't granted the one-time exception. Since she was granted permission to talk, she could get a scholarship immediately upon transfer, but she still had to sit out a year before being eligible to play. That was an interesting case, especially when she was allowed to go to Dayton without sitting out a year. I think in that case it took a special waiver from the NCAA.
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Post by gtvb1 on Nov 12, 2011 9:16:06 GMT -5
man, you beat me to it. Yep diddo already found the school as well!!! Would that be considered the south? I found the situation as well...mapquest puts the setter's hometown 2141 miles from campus.
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Post by abugslife on Nov 13, 2011 15:03:04 GMT -5
Yep diddo already found the school as well!!! Would that be considered the south? I found the situation as well...mapquest puts the setter's hometown 2141 miles from campus. Hahaha! Now what would be the best route there?
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Post by sevb on Nov 13, 2011 15:10:04 GMT -5
Through the mud...
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Post by abugslife on Nov 13, 2011 15:11:14 GMT -5
Pretty much. Whatever the route, I have a feeling they might be taking it sooner than they realize!
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