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Post by bbk on Apr 11, 2007 21:06:21 GMT -5
Agreed Skyball but obviously stats did not help Powers from Juniata. Most of the players played against one another and did put up some solid numbers. For example, Stevens plays matches against Yeshiva, Polytechnic and Mount Saint Vincent, UCSC played Stanford , UOP. Juniata weak opponents were Rutgers, Mercyhurst. Carthage had MSOE and Central St.
I believe that is a huge difference with numbers but you still have to perform. I do really wish the team was smaller. Fredrickson was a so - so candidate this year as was Schulte, Beiter, Fritz. Powers was the biggest omit in my mind.
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Post by volleyballer4life on Apr 11, 2007 21:58:30 GMT -5
Part of me wonders what the fair way to compare players with strong numbers against decent competition with players with decent numbers against strong competition. I wish there was a way to separate the two into separate categories, but "All-American" sort of means all the american players, so to divide it would pretty much defeat the purpose of the award  . |
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Post by tanmandan on Apr 12, 2007 11:02:38 GMT -5
Stevens, the dominant team in the NECVA, only won 1 match against a ranked DIII team that was not a NECVA team all season. That was a win against NYU at UCSC at the beginning of the year, when NYU played UCSC and Carthage that same day. NYU later beat Stevens at NYU.
Stevens is the best measure for comparison of the NECVA vs. others, because they play all of the top DIII teams, and they are the class of the NECVA.
Here are some numbers from 2 Stevens players who were top 10 in NECVA conference hitting percentage.
Outside Hitter-Jonathon Landis-Stevens-4th place NECVA hitting percentage = .442
Against NECVA teams = .442 hitting
Match against UCSC = .091 in 22 attempts
Match against Carthage = .056 in 18 attempts
1 Match against NYU = .111 in 9 attempts
2 Matches against Juniata = .095 in 21 attempts
Hitting percentage against non-NECVA DIII teams = .086
Middle Hitter-Will Foley-Stevens-8th place NECVA hitting percentage = .422
Against NECVA teams = .422 hitting
Match against UCSC = (-.231) in 13 attempts
Match against Carthage = (-.273) in 11 attempts
2 Matches against NYU = .233 in 30 attempts
2 Matches against Juniata = .400 in 30 attempts
Hitting percentage against non-NECVA DIII teams = .155
These numbers should shed some light on the NECVA numbers and why the AA teams are so top heavy with EIVA and Midwest/west players.
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Post by tanmandan on Apr 12, 2007 11:13:19 GMT -5
I agree that Powers would be worthy of All American selection, but he did only block 0.58 balls per game. That is a low number for any player, let alone a middle blocker who should block at least 1.00 balls per game. All of the middles on the All American team had balanced numbers across the board. Another middle, Vilven, blocked 131 balls for a 1.19 per game average. He also had 279 kills and 30 aces, more than any other middle, but his .320 hitting percentage must have kept him off the All American team.
Overall, I think the selections were pretty fair.
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Post by bbk on Apr 12, 2007 12:01:23 GMT -5
Yeah .320 is a little low for a MB. I must say that the selections are always a little off but all you have to look at the selection committee. Nice job and next year the team will be very, very different.
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Post by Semp12 on Apr 12, 2007 13:52:43 GMT -5
I see your point TanManDan, but those are shaky examples. Both of those players were not Stevens "bread and butter" as you could say. No one was arguining for them on the team. Look at perhaps the Cranfords or Bochicchio's. The only other thing I have to say about hitting percentage is that the lower level, one star teams, may have that one great player, who may or may not be able to play for the great teams, but when they play, the great teams only need to focus their blocking and defense around that one star player. Can you really expect the player to still be able to hit .500 when all the other team is doing is keying on him.
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Post by shortstack4u on Apr 12, 2007 13:56:31 GMT -5
Commenting on the topic for libero first team... I agree with Semp12.. The D'Youville Libero did not stick out at all,I was watching the Nazzareth VS EMU game and the Libero for EMU was the one that came to play..of course u can take into account games throughout the season (collegevbcoach2007) and all of your other non-sense that you were talking about but when it came down to who was better and who didn't choke during the big game.. Hands down EMU libero didnt choke and was an all out better player then the Dyouville Libero...He should have gotten First Team.... I believe the kids name was Chris Flirel for D'youville. He always has the tendancy to crack under pressure or choke. It even occured last year when Dyouville played Rivier. Flirel CHOKED...This year Dyouville Vs Stevens... Flirel CHOKED... You can take in to account everything that CollegeVbCoach2007 said Reception Percentage, Digs per game... but watching Flirel play and Detweiler play.... i believe everyone knows who is better and who really should of gotten the First Team ALL American.. And DYouville libero isnt IT!!!!
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Post by shortstack4u on Apr 12, 2007 14:04:34 GMT -5
***********Another Quick piece of information****:::
I was recently talking to a player on the DYouville Volleyball team and they were tellin me that CollegeVBCoach2007 is actually Chris Flirel... the Dyouville Libero himself.. He goes onto Forums and actually sticks up for himself when everyone else tears him apart so keep that in mind when reading CollegeVBCoach2007 replies....Thank you--
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Post by cyberVBmidwest on Apr 12, 2007 17:31:00 GMT -5
***********Another Quick piece of information****::: I was recently talking to a player on the DYouville Volleyball team and they were tellin me that ....Thank you-- Message board decorum states that you do not "OUT" someone's identity... I am guessing this message will be deleted and you may receive a message from "Odin" This goes even if you are correct! |
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Post by future on Apr 12, 2007 18:38:56 GMT -5
Shorty.....stop now before you make more of a fool of yourself.
Correct me if I'm wrong but being selected as an All-American is a GREAT honor that is voted by coaches.....many! Congrats to Chris Flierl and all the other deserving Athletes.
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Post by mhvb25 on Apr 13, 2007 0:41:26 GMT -5
Some of what is being said holds some truth though. Statistically Detweiler outplayed Flierl in each of their head to head match-ups, as well as the whole season. There were times during the one D'Youville-EMU match where Flierl may have played equally to him, but in my opinion he was outplayed the whole year and Detweiler got no recognition which is a shame. On a side note, it is exciting to see whom may or may not be on this team next year as it should be radically different.
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Post by bbk on Apr 13, 2007 6:47:00 GMT -5
Funny thing about digs sometimes free balls or roll shots are considered digs when played by some in the Volleyball community. Also, there are some that think that EMU may not have nominated anyone. Then, you could also throw in the fact that the Royals did not really play a lot of the talented teams or as many as D'Youville. There are a lot of questions but only the committee knows the answer.
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Post by shortstack4u on Apr 13, 2007 14:23:54 GMT -5
Future..... DOnt get me wrong being selected as an all american is a great accomplishment... BUT... only if you deserve it!!!! No way Dyouville libero should have gotten... EMU libero got no recognition and he should have... Being an all american is a great accomplishment and is an awesome thing to have with you... but how do you think EMU's libero feels knowing that Dyouville libero stole it from him and he shouldnt have gotten it? All the coaches do vote on it yes.....and Dyouville did play some harder teams then EMU yess... but watching both of the Teams play everyone in their right mind knows DYC libero is a spaz and stole that award from EMU libero....He is a very hot headed player and has no control over what he does or what he says and alot of coaches do not see that...EMU-- Cool calm and collected--Team Player---He is the Real all american!!! and dont call me shorty... is shortstack --- Thanks
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Post by future on Apr 13, 2007 14:41:09 GMT -5
I can think of far worse injustices in the world....namely the current Supreme Court Appointed President.
The Dyouville player DIDN'T STEAL anything.
Any personal attack hidden behind a screen name is not right and frankly immature. You seem to have a real grudge here with this player and the way you are going about this it reeks of jealousy.
I am sure that is not your wish.
WE all get you initial point...leave it at that.
Well deserved congrats to ALL the players who earned the honor and the teams and coaches who share in those awards.
EMU had a nice run when in counted and defeated a much better Nazareth team (over the course of the year In my mind - Opinion here...not attack)......but when it came down to it EMU pulled it out.....that is all that matters.
Congrats to Stevens
Congrats to Springfield.....about time they push for another National Championship!
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Post by shortstack4u on Apr 13, 2007 15:28:07 GMT -5
********Another piece of information************Future is---The DYC Libero********
NO JEALOUSY HERE--- JUST FUNNY THAT FUTURE (DYC LIBERO) HAS TO GO ON THIS WEBSITE AND STICK UP FOR HIMSELF---- NO ONE IS DOING IT FOR HIM-----FUNNY STUFFF FUUUUTUREEEE u stink of pure man juice------
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