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Post by network155 on May 17, 2012 3:26:02 GMT -5
Kastl is no slouch but "prolific" by Pac-10 standards? ummmm no. Her kills per set seem impressive until you look at the fact that she was set the ball 450 times more (1331 times on the year) than the player with the second most touches on the team and checks in with a .150 hitting percentage. Kastl is an average workhorse type OH, not bad, not great....but there have been far to many outstanding Pac-10 OH's for Kastl to have an adjective like "prolific" attached to her name. Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown!
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Post by hwnstunner on May 17, 2012 4:35:18 GMT -5
Kastl is no slouch but "prolific" by Pac-10 standards? ummmm no. Her kills per set seem impressive until you look at the fact that she was set the ball 450 times more (1331 times on the year) than the player with the second most touches on the team and checks in with a .150 hitting percentage. Kastl is an average workhorse type OH, not bad, not great....but there have been far to many outstanding Pac-10 OH's for Kastl to have an adjective like "prolific" attached to her name. Victoria Prince was an unknown when she transferred in from WSU. With that said, lower-tier PAC-10 players have flourished at Hawaii. Nikki Hubbert, Nohea Tano, Victoria Prince, Sarah Mason... Hawaii has been good for all of them. In fact, Mason is comparable to Kastl, a go-to hitter in the PAC-10 with average hitting percentage, but hit her stride at UH and really became a solid player. Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown!
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Post by 5100 on May 17, 2012 4:52:55 GMT -5
Prolific: producing in large quantities or with great frequency.
The writer never mentioned "efficient".
Hitting percentage has nothing to do with being prolific. She produced many kills for her team, regardless of the errors or number of attempts. You, ay2013, need to check the dictionary first before coming here to snark on a UH thread. The fact that you used the term "workhorse" to describe Kastl just proves the point that she was a prolific hitter. You are so predictable (eye roll).
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Post by ay2013 on May 17, 2012 4:56:56 GMT -5
Kastl is no slouch but "prolific" by Pac-10 standards? ummmm no. Her kills per set seem impressive until you look at the fact that she was set the ball 450 times more (1331 times on the year) than the player with the second most touches on the team and checks in with a .150 hitting percentage. Kastl is an average workhorse type OH, not bad, not great....but there have been far to many outstanding Pac-10 OH's for Kastl to have an adjective like "prolific" attached to her name. Victoria Prince was an unknown when she transferred in from WSU. With that said, lower-tier PAC-10 players have flourished at Hawaii. Nikki Hubbert, Nohea Tano, Victoria Prince, Sarah Mason... Hawaii has been good for all of them. In fact, Mason is comparable to Kastl, a go-to hitter in the PAC-10 with average hitting percentage, but hit her stride at UH and really became a solid player.Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown! Well Mason was already a solid player prior to UH. She made all Pac-10 twice, unfortunately she was the best player on a horrible Oregon team. Dave and staff undoubtedly improved her skill set but its easier to appear "much improved" especially in the area of hitting percentage when you go from being the go to hitter on the worst team in the best conference to getting sets from Kamana'o and having Houston has another offensive option to focus on in a crappy conference.
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Post by ay2013 on May 17, 2012 5:11:46 GMT -5
Prolific: producing in large quantities or with great frequency. The writer never mentioned "efficient". Hitting percentage has nothing to do with being prolific. She produced many kills for her team, regardless of the errors or number of attempts. You, ay2013, need to check the dictionary first before coming here to snark on a UH thread. The fact that you used the term "workhorse" to describe Kastl just proves the point that she was a prolific hitter. You are so predictable (eye roll). A word can have multiple definitions..... perhaps you should pick up a dictionary sometime. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prolific?show=0&t=13372487513: marked by abundant inventiveness or productivityOr just re-read what you wrote: with great frequency ...getting a kill 15% of the time is NOT great frequency. Hard to really make an argument that hitting percentage has "NOTHING" to do with being prolific. A .150 hitting percentage is NOT being productive. I stand by what I said. She's a workhorse for ASU, if you set her enough she will get kills, but you can say that for hundreds of players. Again she had 450 more attempts than the #2 at ASU. That's an MVP for ASU not a prolific OH in the countries top volleyball conference. It's a misleading adjective, especially for a general population as well versed in volleyball as the people of Hawaii. Many would think they are getting a player on the level of Jupiter, Murrey, or Kidder and you aren't. Abundant productivity which IS a definition of prolific is in large part based on efficiency, which Kastl is not. Will she improve at UH? I'd probably say so, better coaching and better players generally enhances skill sets, but none of that changes the fact that she is not a prolific Pac-10 OH. And yes, if calling out a complete mis-characterization of a players record is being predictable, then I wear that label proudly.
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Post by network155 on May 17, 2012 6:03:35 GMT -5
Kastl is no slouch but "prolific" by Pac-10 standards? ummmm no. Her kills per set seem impressive until you look at the fact that she was set the ball 450 times more (1331 times on the year) than the player with the second most touches on the team and checks in with a .150 hitting percentage. Kastl is an average workhorse type OH, not bad, not great....but there have been far to many outstanding Pac-10 OH's for Kastl to have an adjective like "prolific" attached to her name. Victoria Prince was an unknown when she transferred in from WSU. With that said, lower-tier PAC-10 players have flourished at Hawaii. Nikki Hubbert, Nohea Tano, Victoria Prince, Sarah Mason... Hawaii has been good for all of them. In fact, Mason is comparable to Kastl, a go-to hitter in the PAC-10 with average hitting percentage, but hit her stride at UH and really became a solid player. Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown! Victoria Prince was a go-to-player for the WSU Cougars in 2003 as they made the Elite 8. She was not an unknown.
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Post by 5100 on May 17, 2012 9:57:45 GMT -5
A word can have multiple definitions..... Exactly. Which is why it was stupid to point out that the writer was somehow wrong in describing Kastl as a prolific hitter. Because she was a prolific hitter. Her large kill numbers prove that.
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Post by volleyballa on May 17, 2012 10:11:16 GMT -5
I don't know how Kastl will work out for Hawaii. I know a huge part of the problem for ASU last year was setting, team chemistry and coaching. A better setter alone can greatly increase hitting percentages. When the offense isn't so horribly obviously and a hitter doesn't face a double block every attempt, those number could increase even without better coaching. When that factor is added in who knows what will happen.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 10:49:37 GMT -5
but none of that changes the fact that she is not a prolific Pac-10 OH. You're being so analytical that you need four paragraphs to talk about the definition of one single word, yet you can't get the name of the conference correct? Douche.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2012 10:50:45 GMT -5
Shouldn't the Hawai'i fans be more concerned with who will be in the middle for their team next year, rather than questioning Dave Shoji's choice to bring in Kastl?
Too bad none of you coach Hawai'i - they'd probably be in a way better situation right now.
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Post by hwnstunner on May 17, 2012 12:28:29 GMT -5
I think everything you just said can be said about Kastl except Mason earned Honorable Mention all-PAC 10 honors. Victoria Prince was an unknown when she transferred in from WSU. With that said, lower-tier PAC-10 players have flourished at Hawaii. Nikki Hubbert, Nohea Tano, Victoria Prince, Sarah Mason... Hawaii has been good for all of them. In fact, Mason is comparable to Kastl, a go-to hitter in the PAC-10 with average hitting percentage, but hit her stride at UH and really became a solid player.Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown! Well Mason was already a solid player prior to UH. She made all Pac-10 twice, unfortunately she was the best player on a horrible Oregon team. Dave and staff undoubtedly improved her skill set but its easier to appear "much improved" especially in the area of hitting percentage when you go from being the go to hitter on the worst team in the best conference to getting sets from Kamana'o and having Houston has another offensive option to focus on in a crappy conference.
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Post by hwnstunner on May 17, 2012 12:33:19 GMT -5
Wiz, I think your talking about Washington. Victoria Prince played at Washington State and they were bottom of the PAC-10. She was not a go-to player on that team, although she led them in bpg her sophomore season. She was an unknown. Victoria Prince was an unknown when she transferred in from WSU. With that said, lower-tier PAC-10 players have flourished at Hawaii. Nikki Hubbert, Nohea Tano, Victoria Prince, Sarah Mason... Hawaii has been good for all of them. In fact, Mason is comparable to Kastl, a go-to hitter in the PAC-10 with average hitting percentage, but hit her stride at UH and really became a solid player. Hawaii fans haven't exactly jump for joy at news of her transferring to UHM, like they did with past transfers like Victoria Prince and Heather Bown! Victoria Prince was a go-to-player for the WSU Cougars in 2003 as they made the Elite 8. She was not an unknown.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 17, 2012 14:05:12 GMT -5
but none of that changes the fact that she is not a prolific Pac-10 OH. You're being so analytical that you need four paragraphs to talk about the definition of one single word, yet you can't get the name of the conference correct? Douche. Lol, bravo!
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on May 17, 2012 14:09:28 GMT -5
Shouldn't the Hawai'i fans be more concerned with who will be in the middle for their team next year, rather than questioning Dave Shoji's choice to bring in Kastl? Too bad none of you coach Hawai'i - they'd probably be in a way better situation right now. Yep. The Wahine will start two new middles this season (Adolpho not really new but not a starter last season.) I expect Hawai'i to push a lot of balls to the pins this year and rely on Vorster and Adolpho for their blocking. It'll be interesting to see what kind of team the Wahine put on the floor this season.
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Post by internationalball on May 17, 2012 16:09:48 GMT -5
Wiz, I think your talking about Washington. Victoria Prince played at Washington State and they were bottom of the PAC-10. She was not a go-to player on that team, although she led them in bpg her sophomore season. She was an unknown. Victoria Prince was a go-to-player for the WSU Cougars in 2003 as they made the Elite 8. She was not an unknown. Wiz, is correct. Victoria Prince and LaToya Harris were the go-to-players for that Washington State team that made the Elite 8 but it was Not 2003 it was in 2002. She made the All-Regional Team, but didn't get All-American status until she got to Hawaii.
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