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Apr 19, 2007 10:31:54 GMT -5
Post by prouddad on Apr 19, 2007 10:31:54 GMT -5
Question to ponder. USC just concluded a fairly successful season. According to the commitments list, they have ten new recruits coming in, are graduating two (Altamura and Mosko) from a current roster of 22. That leaves 30 kids vying for play time next season. Seems like an unmanageable number and just startling for a private school to have that many on a roster. Can Ferguson make this work?
Any thoughts?
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USC
Apr 19, 2007 10:39:24 GMT -5
Post by gobears on Apr 19, 2007 10:39:24 GMT -5
I think UCLA has a bigger list than that as there are a large number of players behind the blue curtain. Basically there is no official JV team to develop players like one has in HS. So to get a developmental squad going to feed into your varsity squad you get a lot of guys on campus, and they must earn starting roster spots. Generally frosh and red shirts and often sophs don't make the varsity. But, by having a large # on hand to train, you get the chance to grab a younger player making phenomenal progress. Basically 30 players means running two courts for scrimmage,and position work and reps for various things, can be done with 15 players on each court...and the coaching staff USC has.
Football does the same thing. Baseball too. Big bench. Basketball does not...
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USC
Apr 19, 2007 11:36:50 GMT -5
Post by volleyfred on Apr 19, 2007 11:36:50 GMT -5
It will depend on the numbers that the University will hold the team to. Most programs can only have 20 players on the roster.
Of course coaches can be creative by red shirting or making some of the players "managers," but (with title IX) the days of having 30 players are over. Even for UCLA. I think that UCLA's numbers are 25. Which is more than most, but not the 35 they used to carry.
Considering that USC does not graduate anyone from their starting lineup, and that they have a great class coming in, they will be very good once competition comes back around, but will have to cut some players to make it work.
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Apr 19, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -5
Post by volleyballfan2 on Apr 19, 2007 12:58:14 GMT -5
I am surprised you have skipped to next year without acknowledging the huge turn around this program has made in one year. I think we have to first say what an impressive job the coaching staff has made this year. The team committed to a lot of hard work and it paid off. A whole different attitude on the court. Job well done! ...And remember if one wants a winning team......that means there will probably be some changes everywhere. I think no starting job is secure and I think it will depend on how the new recruits make the next step. There will be a lot of energy next year. Hopefully it will promote good chemistry.
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Apr 19, 2007 13:06:26 GMT -5
Post by CityTechLegend on Apr 19, 2007 13:06:26 GMT -5
I belive the question is can Ferguson make it work. not "is this a title IX issue."
The answer is YES!!! Resoundingly....
He said in an interview that his first goal as USC coach was to get the #8 Seed in the MPSF Tounament. Well it looks to me that he has done that. His next goal was to get better recruits in to challenge for a higher seed next year. Looks like he's DOING that. Getting the players is what he wanted. Managing the players is what he wanted. Having the opportunity to improve the players he has coming in while perfecting the players he has in already is what he wanted. Ferguson is a SC Lifer. HE bleeds Maroon (Crimson) and Gold. He wanted this, HE'LL MAKE IT WORK. Obviously he isa man of his word. USC #8 Seed MPSF Championship Tournament.
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USC
Apr 19, 2007 14:24:53 GMT -5
Post by volleyfred on Apr 19, 2007 14:24:53 GMT -5
I am surprised you have skipped to next year without acknowledging the huge turn around this program has made in one year. I think we have to first say what an impressive job the coaching staff has made this year. The team committed to a lot of hard work and it paid off. A whole different attitude on the court. Job well done! ...And remember if one wants a winning team......that means there will probably be some changes everywhere. I think no starting job is secure and I think it will depend on how the new recruits make the next step. There will be a lot of energy next year. Hopefully it will promote good chemistry. Four points: 1. The thread is about the number of recruits coming in to USC in comparison to how many are returning, and if the coach can make it work. 2. No one skipped to next year for USC, today is next year for USC. They played their final match of the season last night, and their seniors are no longer eligible to compete. Today begins the 2007-2008 season for USC. 3. USC had a very good season. The coaches did a great job with the team. 4. The coaches will manage the team and the numbers, but not without some cuts.
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USC
Apr 19, 2007 14:31:52 GMT -5
Post by volleyfred on Apr 19, 2007 14:31:52 GMT -5
I belive the question is can Ferguson make it work. not "is this a title IX issue." The answer is YES!!! Resoundingly.... He said in an interview that his first goal as USC coach was to get the #8 Seed in the MPSF Tounament. Well it looks to me that he has done that. His next goal was to get better recruits in to challenge for a higher seed next year. Looks like he's DOING that. Getting the players is what he wanted. Managing the players is what he wanted. Having the opportunity to improve the players he has coming in while perfecting the players he has in already is what he wanted. Ferguson is a SC Lifer. HE bleeds Maroon (Crimson) and Gold. He wanted this, HE'LL MAKE IT WORK. Obviously he isa man of his word. USC #8 Seed MPSF Championship Tournament. The reason that USC will have to cut players is to be in compliance with title IX. I don't know what their number is but it is under 30. This is (title IX) the same reason UCLA can no longer have 35 players. They too have numbers restrictions now. USC is going to make it work. Again, not without some cuts.
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Apr 19, 2007 17:00:36 GMT -5
Post by bbk on Apr 19, 2007 17:00:36 GMT -5
Well said Volleyfred. They have a lot of guys recruited to the same position but last I checked competition will weed some players out of the program. Most of the guys are not ready for prime time anyway so redshirts will abound and the Men of Troy will make positive movement.
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USC
Apr 19, 2007 17:24:39 GMT -5
Post by prouddad on Apr 19, 2007 17:24:39 GMT -5
A redshirt will cost a family another $50,000 or $49,000 if the kid has books. Ouch!
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Apr 19, 2007 17:40:09 GMT -5
Post by swingaway on Apr 19, 2007 17:40:09 GMT -5
The reason that USC will have to cut players is to be in compliance with title IX. I don't know what their number is but it is under 30. This is (title IX) the same reason UCLA can no longer have 35 players. They too have numbers restrictions now. USC is going to make it work. Again, not without some cuts. Are teams alowed to have "practice" players? Every once in a while I hear somone mention a player practicing with the team.
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Apr 19, 2007 19:57:43 GMT -5
Post by cyberVBmidwest on Apr 19, 2007 19:57:43 GMT -5
A redshirt will cost a family another $50,000 or $49,000 if the kid has books. Ouch! With only 4.5 scholarship equivalents per team to dole out to the players, I really don't think many of them are getting big dollars on the athletic side. If they have good academics that will bring in some dollars to supplement the partial scholarship. If they are a minority they may be able to attract dollars based on the schools programs for diversity. There are also scholarships and grants for leadership, etc... I would believe someone if they told me that a male player received a full ride "package" but I would be very very doubtful if someone said they received a FULL Athletic Scholarship for men's volleyball. In short, the parents are probably paying a lot of the tuition anyway with the athletic scholarship they receive for men's volleyball. Quite a few parents that have shared information with me talk about "book money" and some partial athletic scholarship money. Their son's are starters at DI schools.
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Apr 19, 2007 21:27:10 GMT -5
Post by leftyvballer23 on Apr 19, 2007 21:27:10 GMT -5
The reason that USC will have to cut players is to be in compliance with title IX. I don't know what their number is but it is under 30. This is (title IX) the same reason UCLA can no longer have 35 players. They too have numbers restrictions now. USC is going to make it work. Again, not without some cuts. Are teams alowed to have "practice" players? Every once in a while I hear somone mention a player practicing with the team. I know that to be able to help out with the womens volleyball team at my university i had to go through all the paperwork as a walk-on would. i had to fill out all the NCAA paper work and me compliant with NCAA standards and also have a physical on file. this was just to be able to help out with practices and be allowed to be on the court. Sounds like the "practice players" you refer to are in the same situation
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Apr 20, 2007 9:29:25 GMT -5
Post by VBbeast on Apr 20, 2007 9:29:25 GMT -5
Not entirely accurate. Title 9 is more concerned with scholarship opportunities. The roster cap in many cases is more of a budget issue than anything else and there are a number of programs that do not have roster limitations. Some places do and some or rather low. I believe Penn St. has an 18 player cap for example where obviously USC will be keeping 20+, UCLA, BYU all high numbers as well
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USC
Apr 21, 2007 11:20:10 GMT -5
Post by bunnywailer on Apr 21, 2007 11:20:10 GMT -5
A redshirt will cost a family another $50,000 or $49,000 if the kid has books. Ouch! Bleh. For these Palisades-in-da-hizzouse kids that get recruited, that's like chump change. Their weekly allowances are like 3x that amount.
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Apr 21, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -5
Post by vballnutt on Apr 21, 2007 16:10:23 GMT -5
very true.. for very few of these kids going to USC will money be an issue. Volleyball Scholarship money is Rarly High! I doubt that more than one or two of these kids going to USC are getting 50% or more. They are going to USC becuase they have the money! If they didnt have the money they would be going somewhere else. But back on topic. Yes this will work for USC. As someone stated earlier, with compitition in the gym a few of these kids will quit. Many will get redshirted and life goes on. they are all good at volleyball and USC will be a better program with these kids coming in than if they had a smaller class.
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