Post by volleyballjim on Jul 16, 2012 12:53:23 GMT -5
@par.kplace: I think Butch is digit's father and coach....JUST kidding...He is "Butch May", Misty's dad. digit: Just want to make sure you are FIRM on beach volleyball NOT being the hottest ticket in the Olympics (It was in Beijing) and ratio of crowds IS a good point, but my guess is, regardless of stadium size, when I offer a courtside ticket to the Beach finals vs. "Curling", I get rid of my beach ticket a "few minutes" earlier...Look, some venue has to be the high demand ticket and of course it might be just an Economics 101 supply/demand oriented reason, but ON A BOARD LIKE VOLLEYTALK, can't we all just "...get along" and live in that rarefied air of naivety and be a bit partial to our sport? All this speculation on teams/city oriented volleyball, etc. CANNOT be disclaimed because it "didn't work before". The tablet computer you're probably using was invented LONG ago and DIDN'T market well...Now, well, let me type some more on my iPAD.....No one knows the solutions to beach volleyball, so promoting anyone's ideas as such is probably as bad as promoting any one solution as such....
Post by newenglander on Jul 24, 2012 9:55:58 GMT -5
I'm a nobody in these arguments but I'll throw them in anyway. 51 years old, from the northeast and played some AVP in the 80's as a local qualifier.
Some recurring problems... - a sense of entitlement by the players can turn off fans. For example, went to Hermosa last weekend and saw a blurb in the paper about how nice the players tent is. Does that need to be in the paper? Players need to be seen as hard working, caring about winning or losing or even scraping along as struggling young athletes sleeping in cars (or whatever). Not pampered pretty boys. Get the word to players directly about the amenities. - prize money is not the biggest factor in drawing fans. Don't get me wrong, players need to make a living. The payouts need to remain deep in the field to get more competition in the game. Don't get into the trap of feeding the 1%. Perhaps the old AVP looked at a golf or tennis model when setting payouts (but those tournaments start wi a bigger prize pool). Randy had a quote in SI way back in the day in regards to him being the first to win $1M lifetime and how it would be talked about forever. They thought hed had gotten too much sun. sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1003450/index.htm -I think the small court has hurt. Why not raise the net too? Then you'd get rid of more small guys. /sarcasm.
I'm going to speak a little out of ignorance here, but have they approached different sponsors about taking just 1 tour spot? Could they get more sponsors with smaller financial commitments like golf does? Find a company with a local connection? The economics might not work ( really TV is required but who'd watch in Iowa)
You could get mid sized cities that would want to latch onto this if they felt it could benefit the local economy, the question is "could it?". Unlike a junior tournament you get a lot ofmdaytrippers from nearby so you aren't selling a lot of hotel rooms. I just don't know the answer on that one.
Seeing the modest size of Hermosa last weekend, I just don't know if it works for the sponsors. I wish it did, I used to enjoy watching the "AVP on NBC" and TV is an integral part of getting it to work for all parties. I just don't think volleyball has the critical mass of fans still. The pro circuits are worried about survival and USAV still seems more focused on the national team and then cashing in on everyone else (can't we provide more grassroots help in areas that don't have as much interest in volleyball, isn't that the growth opportunity?)
Post by newenglander on Jul 24, 2012 10:06:47 GMT -5
Can I throw in another thing, why didn't they have Hermosa Open stuff to sell? I know Cuervo is the big sponsor, but the Hermosa logo was nice and they would have sold. Also, the liquor branding would have prevented high school kids from wearing them in some school districts. My experience at tournaments is that having more stuff available for sale gets people to spend more. My daughter walked down to the USAV Beach tournament a little ways away and bought some stuff, I don't think it hurt the Cuervo sales.
JB, I like your concept...maybe you could start a new thread to get more discussion. Perhaps putting it on their Facebook page or the Old School Volleyball AVP Facebook page might get your idea noticed more.
Post by newenglander on Jul 24, 2012 14:40:34 GMT -5
JB has some good stuff... let the regional tours take care of local qualifiers into the big tournament. Tie them all together with the main tour to give the smaller sponsors some more bang for the buck.
One thing that is missing is some of the big personalities (Hov, O'B, Stoklos) to go with the big names...