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Post by Phaedrus on Jul 10, 2012 12:55:33 GMT -5
6'3 man would probably be equivalent to a 5'10 woman. It's on the taller side for a libero but not unusually tall. I don't think your size equivalence holds for volleyball players, though it's probably about right for the general population. I brought up Lambourne in a previous iteration of this discussion a year or two ago. The point isn't his height relative to the population at large, but his height relative to where else he might provide utility. In other words, when standing next to them or watching on video, you can see that Lambourne is only a very little bit shorter than Priddy, a successful OH who was absolutely essential to USA's Beijing gold. When you look at these two players of nearly the same height; it therefore becomes obvious that Priddy isn't too short to be an effective OH nor Lambourne too tall to be an effective libero. Clearly some factor(s) other than height made these same-statured players who they are. What he said. |
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Post by mikegarrison on Jul 10, 2012 14:16:55 GMT -5
Some of the arguments here would seem to be saying that Wilt Chamberlain should have been a point guard if not for being such a great center...  Detlef Schrempf would have been a great point guard if not for being such a good forward. The UW listed him on their roster as G/F/C, and in his senior year I still remember that when the team needed a guy to get the ball through a press, it was Detlef who did it. Unfortunately, he was also their best scorer, and he couldn't pass to himself. And probably the best point guard in NBA (or basketball) history was 6-9. |
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Post by lonewolf on Jul 10, 2012 16:12:24 GMT -5
6'3 man would probably be equivalent to a 5'10 woman. It's on the taller side for a libero but not unusually tall. I don't think your size equivalence holds for volleyball players, though it's probably about right for the general population. I brought up Lambourne in a previous iteration of this discussion a year or two ago. The point isn't his height relative to the population at large, but his height relative to where else he might provide utility. In other words, when standing next to them or watching on video, you can see that Lambourne is only a very little bit shorter than Priddy, a successful OH who was absolutely essential to USA's Beijing gold. When you look at these two players of nearly the same height; it therefore becomes obvious that Priddy isn't too short to be an effective OH nor Lambourne too tall to be an effective libero. Clearly some factor(s) other than height made these same-statured players who they are. I would also point out that we could list a large population of examples in DI (and at least a small list in international play) where a taller hitter is a better SR &/or defender than the starting libero, or as good as. However, they are played all they way around for the other skills they bring, or due to the fact that the team just doesn't have a better front row player to fill said position. |
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jul 10, 2012 18:01:45 GMT -5
Some of the arguments here would seem to be saying that Wilt Chamberlain should have been a point guard if not for being such a great center... Detlef Schrempf would have been a great point guard if not for being such a good forward. The UW listed him on their roster as G/F/C, and in his senior year I still remember that when the team needed a guy to get the ball through a press, it was Detlef who did it. Unfortunately, he was also their best scorer, and he couldn't pass to himself. And probably the best point guard in NBA (or basketball) history was 6-9. The prototypical "point forward" was Johnny Johnson ("J.J.") - Schrempf was in the same mold, although a bit taller (6'10 vs. 6'7"). I'm not at all sure that either would have been as effective playing at the point. Magic would have been exceptional at whatever position he played - he even starred at center in one NBA Finals series - that hardly shows that the the two positions are interchangeable, however. |
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Post by OverAndUnder on Jul 10, 2012 22:55:22 GMT -5
I don't think your size equivalence holds for volleyball players, though it's probably about right for the general population. I brought up Lambourne in a previous iteration of this discussion a year or two ago. The point isn't his height relative to the population at large, but his height relative to where else he might provide utility. In other words, when standing next to them or watching on video, you can see that Lambourne is only a very little bit shorter than Priddy, a successful OH who was absolutely essential to USA's Beijing gold. When you look at these two players of nearly the same height; it therefore becomes obvious that Priddy isn't too short to be an effective OH nor Lambourne too tall to be an effective libero. Clearly some factor(s) other than height made these same-statured players who they are. I would also point out that we could list a large population of examples in DI (and at least a small list in international play) where a taller hitter is a better SR &/or defender than the starting libero, or as good as. However, they are played all they way around for the other skills they bring, or due to the fact that the team just doesn't have a better front row player to fill said position. Exactly. Ashley Engle would have made a terrific NCAA libero.... if not for the fact that she was also a good setter.... and a very good hitter.... and a decent blocker................ and 6'3". |
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Post by ay2013 on Jul 11, 2012 3:01:38 GMT -5
I would also point out that we could list a large population of examples in DI (and at least a small list in international play) where a taller hitter is a better SR &/or defender than the starting libero, or as good as. However, they are played all they way around for the other skills they bring, or due to the fact that the team just doesn't have a better front row player to fill said position. Exactly. Ashley Engle would have made a terrific NCAA libero.... if not for the fact that she was also a good setter.... and a very good hitter.... and a decent blocker................ and 6'3". Engle is a player that everytime I watched her in college I always thought she was very good at everything at the NCAA level, but never world class level at any particular skill, or even close to it to truly transcend into traveling team status or leading pro teams to titles. |
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