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Post by volley13 on Jul 8, 2012 22:15:49 GMT -5
the team needs to transition soon, otherwise the young players will never get enough experience before 2016. they need playing time and learning experiences. sander, shojis, clark are all very fun to watch. sander has the largest potential, but lawson has similar upside to ciarelli (if his body and passion holdstrong). ciarelli has a bigger arm, but poor reception, hitting low, and tipping/junk ball that works in the MPSF, can only get you so far in high level international volleyball. lawson has better ball control, and plays higher, but has a poor serve and block. we will see what happens.
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Post by volleyballhawk on Jul 9, 2012 1:39:01 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind with Sander and the chances of playing in the 2016 games is that he still has to fulfill his year-long LDS mission. Most BYU players redshirt during their mission year. If you don't go on a mission before starting college, chances of going at all, drop. If you don't go after your first year of college, chances of going drop DRAMATICALLY. And given he's been THE MAN for the past two seasons on that team, I HIGHLY doubt he's going to serve. If he steps foot on the court this year, the mission aint gonna happen... Exactly. Top LDS athletes are often encouraged to not serve their mission. Guys like the Jimmer didn't go. The fact that Sander has the chance to be a USA and international player will almost exempt him from going. There's precedent for guys in a situation like his.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 9, 2012 11:12:24 GMT -5
the team needs to transition soon, otherwise the young players will never get enough experience before 2016. they need playing time and learning experiences. sander, shojis, clark are all very fun to watch. sander has the largest potential, but lawson has similar upside to ciarelli (if his body and passion holdstrong). ciarelli has a bigger arm, but poor reception, hitting low, and tipping/junk ball that works in the MPSF, can only get you so far in high level international volleyball. lawson has better ball control, and plays higher, but has a poor serve and block. we will see what happens. What's with all the Ciarelli hate? You can pick apart his game if you want, every player has flaws. But, bottom line, switch him and Lawson and Stanford wins the national title. That's not a knock on Lawson either, Ciarelli was that good. I think Sander has more upside but he's also two years behind, and with a lot more work to do on his ball control. I think he'll be better than Ciarelli eventually, but Ciarelli will likely be the starting outside for at least a couple of years.
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Post by setterdump on Jul 9, 2012 16:29:55 GMT -5
What about Tavana or Lipsitz as future middles for Team USA? And Sangrey or Sunder at OPP?
Also, has anyone heard where the Shoji brothers will play professionally next year?
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Post by volleyballhawk on Jul 9, 2012 17:48:30 GMT -5
Sunder is an OH, and there are easily 3 or 4 guys ahead of him at the oppo slot- Clark, Troy, Sangrey, maybe Menzel. Regarding Sangrey, he'll have to improve a lot in the next few years to overtake a Clark or Troy.
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Post by noreaster on Jul 9, 2012 21:57:54 GMT -5
Sunder is an OH, and there are easily 3 or 4 guys ahead of him at the oppo slot- Clark, Troy, Sangrey, maybe Menzel. Regarding Sangrey, he'll have to improve a lot in the next few years to overtake a Clark or Troy. Sangrey is a midget on that level. Can he block Menzel? How about the Russians?
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 9, 2012 22:03:44 GMT -5
Sunder is an OH, and there are easily 3 or 4 guys ahead of him at the oppo slot- Clark, Troy, Sangrey, maybe Menzel. Regarding Sangrey, he'll have to improve a lot in the next few years to overtake a Clark or Troy. Sangrey is a midget on that level. Can he block Menzel? How about the Russians? Clark is the same size as Sangrey. I'm not sure what Clark or Sangrey touches, but they're both severely undersized.
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Post by volleyballhawk on Jul 9, 2012 22:13:26 GMT -5
They're both 6-5. That's not midget status at all, but 3 inches between them and someone like Murphy Troy is a lot. I've never put much faith into heights though. More important is someone's reach. Sangrey and Clark are both 6-5, but one of them could easily have a 2 inch greater reach than the other. A height of 6-8 can be misleading if the guy doesn't have a long reach.
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Post by baywatcher on Jul 9, 2012 22:27:24 GMT -5
Don't think Rooney is that old, and the Rooney Anderson combo worked well on the weekend, I guess until Sunday. I missed that match and don't really want tol watch the USA go down in flames.
Lawson could be a good OH2. His passing has been steady, and I watched UCLA serve Taylor off the court at the end of this last year. Other teams concentrated on stopping Lawson the last two years, even out of the backrow, and he didn't always hit through it. But give him some room to operate and he could approach the Penn State championship match of his sophomore year. I guess it will depend a lot on the new coach as to what direction the team takes. I agree the team seems to be tuning the present coach out.
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Post by noreaster on Jul 9, 2012 22:45:16 GMT -5
In high school I thought Sangrey was stretching it at 6'4" but you are right, OSU has him listed at 6'5." That's defintely with shoes on.
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Post by akbar on Jul 10, 2012 8:02:50 GMT -5
Rooney and Anderson will be the two OHS for the next 4 to 8the years. Some of the guys mentioned have a long ways to go to catch up. Sander might be in the mix in 4 years.
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Post by halesvb11 on Jul 10, 2012 8:44:32 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone is saying Rooney is young. He'll be 30 this year. NO WAY is he around in 8 years. He's been in the system for 6-7 years and has progressed but it's been a flat progression, where someone like Anderson has been relatively steep.
The height thing is funny. I don't think Clark, Troy, or Sangrey are the answer on the right. Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but I can see Anderson on the right. His passing is good, but it's not elite. If we can manufacture 2/3 better passing outsides, move him over there and just let him block and bomb away. One thing that I think benefits Anderson in the long term is his frame. He's skinny. Clay is huge. I think in the long run Anderson could have a longer (and potentially more prolific) career with that being one of the major components.
Libero is Shoji. It'll take some time to adjust to the speed/power but he will be able to do it.
Setter is the big question. Thornton is the only one I'd keep that's currently in the gym. I don't know enough about the younger guys to say who's next. Where'd Winder go? Wasn't everyone going bananas over him because he was like 6'8" and the heir to Lloy?
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 10, 2012 12:19:34 GMT -5
I don't know why everyone is saying Rooney is young. He'll be 30 this year. NO WAY is he around in 8 years. He's been in the system for 6-7 years and has progressed but it's been a flat progression, where someone like Anderson has been relatively steep. The height thing is funny. I don't think Clark, Troy, or Sangrey are the answer on the right. Not sure if it was in this thread or another, but I can see Anderson on the right. His passing is good, but it's not elite. If we can manufacture 2/3 better passing outsides, move him over there and just let him block and bomb away. One thing that I think benefits Anderson in the long term is his frame. He's skinny. Clay is huge. I think in the long run Anderson could have a longer (and potentially more prolific) career with that being one of the major components. Libero is Shoji. It'll take some time to adjust to the speed/power but he will be able to do it. Setter is the big question. Thornton is the only one I'd keep that's currently in the gym. I don't know enough about the younger guys to say who's next. Where'd Winder go? Wasn't everyone going bananas over him because he was like 6'8" and the heir to Lloy? 1. Agreed. 2. Well, yes, it has been brought up before, and I think the major issue, although there are several, is that you're talking about having a guy who is only just coming into his own having to start over to a certain extent. Hitting the tempo on the right side seems natural enough for him, but hitting the D is another story. I'm not totally opposed to the idea, but it's not as simple as you make it sound. And yes, Tim Duncan has had incredible longevity in The NBA in large part because he has kept the weight off. All that muscle on top is a lot of stress on your knees. 3. Of course. 4. Yeah, huge question. I want to see Shoji #1 here, but you never know. I haven't seen him play in the pros but it certainly seems like he's doing well. Thornton will probably be the setter for at least the first year of the next quadrennial though.
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Post by volleyballhawk on Jul 10, 2012 16:31:14 GMT -5
People like to get hung up on height, but 6'5" is plenty big to play the international game. Height helps obviously, but it's not the most important thing. Like I said, long arms can make up for a perceived lack of height. If someone like Clark doesn't make it as the next oppo, it won't be because he's too short. It's rare, but a guy like Priddy has been a pretty decent outside at 6'4" or 6'5".
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Post by halesvb11 on Jul 11, 2012 9:00:31 GMT -5
Priddy was all world. Had the ball control/defense, serve, mental game, and 40" vert that it takes to play at the top of the game.
I don't think you can compare him to the opposites. Clay is 6'8", George was close to that. I think the trend recently has been to move to tall guys who just bomb. Brazil did it when they went to Vissotto who's around 6'10. Mikhaylov is just as big as Clay. Italy has big opposites too. The only team that I can that doesn't have a huge opposite is Poland. Bartman and Wlazly (who didn't play in the '12 World League) are both under 6'6", but have all world hops.
I don't think we have the all aorund talent to produce a team of guys who are all 6'8" or taller (see: Russia) and be competitive at a top 5 level.
The next quad will be interesting and I'm very excited to see how things shake out over the next few years.
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