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Post by watufaka on Mar 28, 2014 22:45:37 GMT -5
UH wouldn't get Adora even if they tried. Most Kahuku kids want to go to Utah because of their Mormon faith. It makes me sick to be honest.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Mar 29, 2014 0:31:56 GMT -5
Shoji is relevant how? Please provide examples instead of trying to be witty. Because I can give you several examples of why I called him of little relevance again from what I already said. Of course rehashing his accomplishment to ME does not equates to relevance just respect because of it. Relevance in this instance has to do with a coach being able to turn a program around and inject new life into it. Or having the kind coaching staff that continues to help you to win national championships or at least make the finals consistently for many years. And if that isn't possible, than have innovative trainning/coaching methods that help grow the sport. Or have the uber top high schoolers committing to your program because they want to play for you. As I said there are a lot of good coaches today. Being a good coach doesn't mean relevance. It's two different things.
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Post by 5100 on Mar 29, 2014 10:34:09 GMT -5
Clearly you are clueless. Be gone with your misguided rants.
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Post by BRADAHMAN on Mar 29, 2014 12:28:58 GMT -5
Shoji is relevant how? Please provide examples instead of trying to be witty. Because I can give you several examples of why I called him of little relevance again from what I already said. Of course rehashing his accomplishment to ME does not equates to relevance just respect because of it. Relevance in this instance has to do with a coach being able to turn a program around and inject new life into it. Or having the kind coaching staff that continues to help you to win national championships or at least make the finals consistently for many years. And if that isn't possible, than have innovative trainning/coaching methods that help grow the sport. Or have the uber top high schoolers committing to your program because they want to play for you. As I said there are a lot of good coaches today. Being a good coach doesn't mean relevance. It's two different things. Shoji is able to consistently field a nationally ranked team from a minor conference with lesser players. No other coach in college VB can say that. Thatʻs excellent coaching. Not just good! If Dave was the Coach at Stanford, USC, Texas or Penn State, he would be able to consistently recruit top players and legitimately compete for championships. Relevance? I am sure every coach that he goes against disagrees with you. Even the coaches at the aforementioned programs.
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Post by vlima10fan on Mar 29, 2014 14:48:25 GMT -5
Shoji is relevant how? Please provide examples instead of trying to be witty. Because I can give you several examples of why I called him of little relevance again from what I already said. Of course rehashing his accomplishment to ME does not equates to relevance just respect because of it. Relevance in this instance has to do with a coach being able to turn a program around and inject new life into it. Or having the kind coaching staff that continues to help you to win national championships or at least make the finals consistently for many years. And if that isn't possible, than have innovative trainning/coaching methods that help grow the sport. Or have the uber top high schoolers committing to your program because they want to play for you. As I said there are a lot of good coaches today. Being a good coach doesn't mean relevance. It's two different things. Relevance in this instance? What instance? Please make the connection to your criteria list. And if Shoji's accomplishments aren't relevant (compared to what now?), then why should the accomplishments of Rose, Elliott, Cook, and Dunning be? As far as a coach being able to turn a program around and injecting new life into it, there's no need for Shoji to do that since he built a program that was out of the top 25 rankings only once in the history of their program, made 3 final four appearances since 2000 (the recent one being in 2009), and until last year, led the nation in attendance for 18 years (or perhaps since the ncaa began? Anyone know?). Shoji's program is very much alive... and well. In addition, he's produced several All Americans, some of whom weren't considered top recruits and weren't wanted by the top colleges; Emily Hartong being one of them. And speaking of recruits, I think Shoji and his coaching staff are doing a great job in the recruiting department considering the disadvantages they have to overcome. For one, they don't have the resources like a bcs college has. And I can imagine just how easy it is for the coaching staff to convince top recruits to give up a scholarship offer from Stanford, Penn St, Texas and the like just so that they can get a degree from a university whose academics and reputation pales in comparison. Easy, right? After all who wouldn't want to play in paradise for 4 years? It's only a hop, skip, ocean, and a time zone(s) away from their family and friends. A place where it be difficult for many loved ones to travel to see their daughter/sibling/friend play especially if they're from the midwest or east coast. Yes, there are talented recruits whose dream is to be part of the Na Wahine program and to be coached by Shoji. Thank goodness for that. But not all recruits have that dream. Interesting. You feel relevance (to what instance now?) is having coaches that either consistently win titles or make the finals. Why not the semis? Ahhh, because Shoji led his teams to the semis 3 times since 2000. Not many coaches have achieved that, including those who ended up getting uber top high schoolers to play for their program. Clearly, you simply feel Shoji has run his course. That's totally fine. I can respect that. But your opinion of him fading and being irrelevant after what he's done (and continues to do) for the sport; his players; the university; and fans is, in my opinion, absolutely unfounded and ridiculous.
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Post by po'okela on Mar 29, 2014 17:20:13 GMT -5
#owned
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Post by surfboy on Mar 30, 2014 1:23:52 GMT -5
+1 , I could not have said it any better
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 30, 2014 22:25:37 GMT -5
There are only a handful of coaches that can do what shoji has done. Shoji made hawaii into one of the best volleyball programs In the history of the sport. They have only missed the tournament once. I think only nebraska and stanford are the only ones who beat that by never missing the tournament (can someone clarify this). I remember reading it in a record book I just. Can't find what site I read it on). So the fact you think shoji isn't relevant shows intellectual dishonesty on your part
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Post by network155 on Mar 31, 2014 2:40:49 GMT -5
There are only a handful of coaches that can do what shoji has done. Shoji made hawaii into one of the best volleyball programs In the history of the sport. They have only missed the tournament once. I think only nebraska and stanford are the only ones who beat that by never missing the tournament (can someone clarify this). I remember reading it in a record book I just. Can't find what site I read it on). So the fact you think shoji isn't relevant shows intellectual dishonesty on your part and Penn State.
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Post by network155 on Mar 31, 2014 3:48:34 GMT -5
I'm sadden that some people would think so little of what Dave Shoji has done for the Wahine volleyball program and women's collegiate volleyball in general, Hawaii was the first in so many things, the first west coast team other than the California schools to win national titles. Hawaii was the first team in the NCAA to win back-to-back national titles, and I'm so proud to say that I was a part of that accomplishment. Of the many great coaches in the country, and they are the best of the best....Russ Rose, Andy Banachowski, Don Shaw, John Dunning, Mick Haley, and Mike Hebert. Dave Shoji was selected to the NCAA 25th Anniversary Team (as coach), with a Wahine (Deitre Collins) headlining that team of fantastic players which includes Logan Tom, Danielle Scott, and Kerri Walsh to name a few. And still Dave Shoji is not relevant?
He does a fantastic job with the players he gets, not top-notch players, but he works his magic with these girls, and they come to love him and trust him, and look up to him as a coach, a leader, a father figure, these girls go on to become All-Americans and some become national player of the year, some of these girls go on to represent not only the University but also the entire state and the country at the Olympic Games. Dave Shoji is always on top of his conference, and always fields a national top 10 program year in and year out.
This is his last year as a coach, I still see that drive, that fire in his eyes, that 5th national title that has eluded him for over two decades. Whoever takes over as head coach will have an overwhelming task ahead of maintaining that national status, and keeping the Wahine amongst the top programs in the country. Yes, Dave has not won a national title in ages, but he has maintained that status, and no one will ever take Hawaii lightly especially as an opponent. I'm so proud to have been a Wahine and to have played for such a great coach and person. I'm so proud to represent the State of Hawaii and the university. For this white girl from the mainland, who never thought of herself as a good volleyball player, always had doubt in her abilities, was able to overcome that and help win for Dave and this beautiful state, these beautiful people. it was an honor!
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 31, 2014 4:17:09 GMT -5
Agreed. Well said. To draw a comparison, no one is calling Mike Hebert irrelevant, and Minnesota's last title was when?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 31, 2014 14:43:04 GMT -5
I think the message her is that everyone (besides you), from hawaii fans to non fans to even people who dislike the program, know shoji is a legend and far from being not relevant.
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Post by volleyballfan99 on Mar 31, 2014 16:02:57 GMT -5
I'm sadden that some people would think so little of what Dave Shoji has done for the Wahine volleyball program and women's collegiate volleyball in general, Hawaii was the first in so many things, the first west coast team other than the California schools to win national titles. Hawaii was the first team in the NCAA to win back-to-back national titles, and I'm so proud to say that I was a part of that accomplishment. Of the many great coaches in the country, and they are the best of the best....Russ Rose, Andy Banachowski, Don Shaw, John Dunning, Mick Haley, and Mike Hebert. Dave Shoji was selected to the NCAA 25th Anniversary Team (as coach), with a Wahine (Deitre Collins) headlining that team of fantastic players which includes Logan Tom, Danielle Scott, and Kerri Walsh to name a few. And still Dave Shoji is not relevant? He does a fantastic job with the players he gets, not top-notch players, but he works his magic with these girls, and they come to love him and trust him, and look up to him as a coach, a leader, a father figure, these girls go on to become All-Americans and some become national player of the year, some of these girls go on to represent not only the University but also the entire state and the country at the Olympic Games. Dave Shoji is always on top of his conference, and always fields a national top 10 program year in and year out. This is his last year as a coach, I still see that drive, that fire in his eyes, that 5th national title that has eluded him for over two decades. Whoever takes over as head coach will have an overwhelming task ahead of maintaining that national status, and keeping the Wahine amongst the top programs in the country. Yes, Dave has not won a national title in ages, but he has maintained that status, and no one will ever take Hawaii lightly especially as an opponent. I'm so proud to have been a Wahine and to have played for such a great coach and person. I'm so proud to represent the State of Hawaii and the university. For this white girl from the mainland, who never thought of herself as a good volleyball player, always had doubt in her abilities, was able to overcome that and help win for Dave and this beautiful state, these beautiful people. it was an honor! Who says that 2014 will be Dave Shoji's last year of coaching? I can see Dave coaching in 2015, with what he has coming in that year, and most of the players returning. The question is, will Dave coach after 2015. I believe it will depend on if Hawaii can get the 2016 Regional bid, or not. If not, then 2015 will be his last year, otherwise I can see Dave coaching through the 2016, if Hawaii gets the Regional Bid.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 31, 2014 17:43:23 GMT -5
Btw can anyone link me to the record book or site that has the record for tournament appearances. I remember reading it somehwere I just can't find it
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Post by internationalball on Mar 31, 2014 18:18:58 GMT -5
I'm sadden that some people would think so little of what Dave Shoji has done for the Wahine volleyball program and women's collegiate volleyball in general, Hawaii was the first in so many things, the first west coast team other than the California schools to win national titles. Hawaii was the first team in the NCAA to win back-to-back national titles, and I'm so proud to say that I was a part of that accomplishment. Of the many great coaches in the country, and they are the best of the best....Russ Rose, Andy Banachowski, Don Shaw, John Dunning, Mick Haley, and Mike Hebert. Dave Shoji was selected to the NCAA 25th Anniversary Team (as coach), with a Wahine (Deitre Collins) headlining that team of fantastic players which includes Logan Tom, Danielle Scott, and Kerri Walsh to name a few. And still Dave Shoji is not relevant? He does a fantastic job with the players he gets, not top-notch players, but he works his magic with these girls, and they come to love him and trust him, and look up to him as a coach, a leader, a father figure, these girls go on to become All-Americans and some become national player of the year, some of these girls go on to represent not only the University but also the entire state and the country at the Olympic Games. Dave Shoji is always on top of his conference, and always fields a national top 10 program year in and year out. This is his last year as a coach, I still see that drive, that fire in his eyes, that 5th national title that has eluded him for over two decades. Whoever takes over as head coach will have an overwhelming task ahead of maintaining that national status, and keeping the Wahine amongst the top programs in the country. Yes, Dave has not won a national title in ages, but he has maintained that status, and no one will ever take Hawaii lightly especially as an opponent. I'm so proud to have been a Wahine and to have played for such a great coach and person. I'm so proud to represent the State of Hawaii and the university. For this white girl from the mainland, who never thought of herself as a good volleyball player, always had doubt in her abilities, was able to overcome that and help win for Dave and this beautiful state, these beautiful people. it was an honor! Well said Wiz. Thank you for always being the voice of reason. Dave is a great coach, and we the fans would love to see him stay around for the next couple years!
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