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Post by ay2013 on Oct 8, 2012 19:34:55 GMT -5
Could you imagine what this place would be like it Penn State really did draw Miami as their Sweet Sixteen matchup? oh you mean if PSU just happened to draw the weakest seeded team per Pablo and AVCA? That would be the committee per usual.
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Post by psumaui on Oct 8, 2012 19:38:23 GMT -5
For the NCAA volleyball RPI, whether a match is home, away, or at a neutral site makes no difference, right? Every match is either a W or L with no modifiers; is that correct? You are correct for volleyball. The explanation by psumaui applies to basketball, not volleyball Sorry, I thought RPI was same for all sports. My mistake.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 8, 2012 19:57:21 GMT -5
Looks like Hawaii is hitting the road during tournament time.... Yea, They lost to UCLA but losing to California at home is what really hurt them more in the RPI so far. A couple of good California wins against top 5 teams in PAC12 may bring them up some. the loss to Cal is negligible. when it comes to the rpi the "quality" of the win or the loss doesn't really matter, it's about who you play, their record, and who they play and their record. If Hawaii had beaten Cal and was 15-1 instead of 14-2 that 1 change in their own winning percentage would only affect 25% of their rpi score. The real meat to look at is the combined win-loss ratio of everyone Hawaii has actually played. Albany: 7-11, St. Marys: 9-8 Stanford: 14-2 San Francisco: 12-6 Baylor: 13-6 California: 9-7 San Diego State: 11-6 Idaho: 7-10 UCLA: 12-3 CSNU: 13-6 UCRiverside: 5-13 CSFU: 8-10 UCI: 8-11 LBSU: 9-8 Poly: 1-16 USCB: 9-11 for a combined opponent win-loss of 147-134 or just barely a +.500 winning percentage. And this stat counts for HALF of Hawaii's rpi. Then take into account who these teams have played (which can largely be applied by their own rpi Albany- 135 St Mary- 46 Stanford- 1 San Francisco- 51 Baylor- 61 Cal- 35 SDSU- 70 Idaho- 137 UCLA- 4 CSNU- 90 UCRiverside- 226 CSFU- 139 UCIrvine- 122 LBSU- 54 Poly- 216 UCSB- 78 That is a large number of very high rpi's. Hawaii actually played a fair preseason in terms of rpi, but the biggest thing that is dragging them down is not the loss to Cal, but it's the Big West. Hawaii hasn't lost for over a month and yet every week their rpi continues to go down. simply put the opponents they play in the big west stunk it up.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 8, 2012 20:04:08 GMT -5
Hawaii actually played a fair preseason in terms of rpi, but the biggest thing that is dragging them down is not the loss to Cal, but it's the Big West. Hawaii hasn't lost for over a month and yet every week their rpi continues to go down. simply put the opponents they play in the big west stunk it up. 6 teams in the Big West having losing records. yikes ...
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Post by lionsfan on Oct 8, 2012 20:36:20 GMT -5
Could you imagine what this place ay would be like it Penn State really did draw Miami as their Sweet Sixteen matchup? oh you mean if PSU just happened to draw the weakest seeded team per Pablo and AVCA? That would be the committee per usual. Fixed the original post.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 8, 2012 21:22:59 GMT -5
Could you imagine what this place would be like it Penn State really did draw Miami as their Sweet Sixteen matchup? oh you mean if PSU just happened to draw the weakest seeded team per Pablo and AVCA? That would be the committee per usual. My God will you please let it go? It is simply not possible to make your point anymore than you already have. You reference PSU more than PSU fans. Why not just change your handle to "the world is set up to favor PSU"? Just let it go my friend, it will just eat you up inside.
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Post by bkedane on Oct 8, 2012 21:31:10 GMT -5
Could you imagine what this place would be like it Penn State really did draw Miami as their Sweet Sixteen matchup? oh you mean if PSU just happened to draw the weakest seeded team per Pablo and AVCA? That would be the committee per usual. Was drawing UCLA in the sweet 16 last year an example of the committee stacking things in favor of PSU?
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 8, 2012 22:07:55 GMT -5
oh you mean if PSU just happened to draw the weakest seeded team per Pablo and AVCA? That would be the committee per usual. My God will you please let it go? It is simply not possible to make your point anymore than you already have. You reference PSU more than PSU fans. Why not just change your handle to "the world is set up to favor PSU"? Just let it go my friend, it will just eat you up inside. Ah now here is the old keystonekid we all miss!
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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 8, 2012 22:56:46 GMT -5
My God will you please let it go? It is simply not possible to make your point anymore than you already have. You reference PSU more than PSU fans. Why not just change your handle to "the world is set up to favor PSU"? Just let it go my friend, it will just eat you up inside. Ah now here is the old keystonekid we all miss! this response in no way has any relevance to my or anyone elses point regarding what is clearly your all out obsession regarding PSU. Let it go, let it go.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 8, 2012 23:56:18 GMT -5
Ah now here is the old keystonekid we all miss! this response in no way has any relevance to my or anyone elses point regarding what is clearly your all out obsession regarding PSU. Let it go, let it go. ah here we go again...just like old times.
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Post by ACE on Oct 9, 2012 1:21:10 GMT -5
Hawaii actually played a fair preseason in terms of rpi, but the biggest thing that is dragging them down is not the loss to Cal, but it's the Big West. Hawaii hasn't lost for over a month and yet every week their rpi continues to go down. simply put the opponents they play in the big west stunk it up. 6 teams in the Big West having losing records. yikes ... Yikes is the word! ay is correct...look at who we have left on the schedule. this year is a wash in what can be done, Hawaii just gotta keep winning and just pray. but, without a conference tournament, maybe Dave should look at scheduling a PAC-12/WCC team on a Wednesday on his way to a Thursday/Saturday Big West match.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 9, 2012 2:11:53 GMT -5
6 teams in the Big West having losing records. yikes ... Yikes is the word! ay is correct...look at who we have left on the schedule. this year is a wash in what can be done, Hawaii just gotta keep winning and just pray. but, without a conference tournament, maybe Dave should look at scheduling a PAC-12/WCC team on a Wednesday on his way to a Thursday/Saturday Big West match. it's a tough balance ... hawaii can't control who they play in conference ... i think the scheduling could have been better for the nonconference portion of the scheduling ... but on that front as well, hawaii can't control who is able to accept invites to play here... from here on out, a big chunk of hawaii's schedule is going to be California heavy due to the Big West ... i'd like to see hawaii schedule smarter, and lure more midwest and east coast teams here to play. the diversity in the scheduling will only help the RPI, which is necessary for as long as the RPI is a major (or the dominant factor) in seeding ...
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Post by leftcoaster71 on Oct 9, 2012 3:14:18 GMT -5
Yikes is the word! ay is correct...look at who we have left on the schedule. this year is a wash in what can be done, Hawaii just gotta keep winning and just pray. but, without a conference tournament, maybe Dave should look at scheduling a PAC-12/WCC team on a Wednesday on his way to a Thursday/Saturday Big West match. it's a tough balance ... hawaii can't control who they play in conference ... i think the scheduling could have been better for the nonconference portion of the scheduling ... but on that front as well, hawaii can't control who is able to accept invites to play here... from here on out, a big chunk of hawaii's schedule is going to be California heavy due to the Big West ... i'd like to see hawaii schedule smarter, and lure more midwest and east coast teams here to play. the diversity in the scheduling will only help the RPI, which is necessary for as long as the RPI is a major (or the dominant factor) in seeding ... While Hawaii's non conference schedule isn't as strong as years past, I don't necessarily "blame" them. On paper, the schedule looked tougher than it turned out to be. Cal & St. Mary's have had injury problems (but, things have been turning around for both of them), people expected SDSU to be performing better than they have (not sure if there have been injury problems or not), and Albany has made the tourney pretty consistently over the past several years. Going in to the season, it looked like Hawaii made mart RPI scheduling choices. Unfortunately, stuff happens.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 3:56:21 GMT -5
How does the win over Stanford affect Hawaii's chances at getting a seed. While the RPI remains low and will probably not climb much that win over a potential #1 seed has to work for their favor somehow right? In my opinion, if Hawaii were to win out there is no way they should not receive a seed and have home court for the 1/2 rounds.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 9, 2012 4:03:34 GMT -5
it's a tough balance ... hawaii can't control who they play in conference ... i think the scheduling could have been better for the nonconference portion of the scheduling ... but on that front as well, hawaii can't control who is able to accept invites to play here... from here on out, a big chunk of hawaii's schedule is going to be California heavy due to the Big West ... i'd like to see hawaii schedule smarter, and lure more midwest and east coast teams here to play. the diversity in the scheduling will only help the RPI, which is necessary for as long as the RPI is a major (or the dominant factor) in seeding ... While Hawaii's non conference schedule isn't as strong as years past, I don't necessarily "blame" them. On paper, the schedule looked tougher than it turned out to be. Cal & St. Mary's have had injury problems (but, things have been turning around for both of them), people expected SDSU to be performing better than they have (not sure if there have been injury problems or not), and Albany has made the tourney pretty consistently over the past several years. Going in to the season, it looked like Hawaii made mart RPI scheduling choices. Unfortunately, stuff happens. same thing happened to Oregon last year. the rpi darlings are sometimes tough to pick out. you need teams that first and foremost will have a high win-loss ratio (as this is 50% of your own rpi), secondly a team who you can comfortably beat, and lastly you want teams that have their overall opponent win-loss ratio that doesn't put their rpi above 100. this years crop of rpi boosters that fit the above criteria include VCU out of the Atlantic 10 NC State out of the ACC North Carolina out of the ACC TCU out of the Big 12 Marquette out of the Big East Northern Arizona out of the Big Sky Pacific out of the Big West Northeastern out of the Colonial Creighton out of the Missouri Valley Southern Illinois out of the Missouri Valley New Mexico out of the Mountain West Morehead State out of the Ohio Valley Furman out of the Southern Central Arkansas out of the Southland IPFW out of the Summit League these are the teams this season that fit the "rpi boosters" that aren't teams that will really challenge top teams. It's tough to identify these types of teams in advanced (when schedules are made). Ideally a national contender wants to schedule a decent amount of teams that they can beat who play in conferences they will almost surely win, and who won't schedule a bunch of other tough opponents in the preseason. Take UNI for example...a darling of the rpi a few seasons ago but this year plenty of big programs wanted to schedule them (Michigan, Iowa State, Purdue, USC etc) which means they will lose more which means that playing UNI doesn't have anywhere the rpi impact as it did a few seasons ago. it's a game of chance, finding the 15 or so teams that truly give you the edge in the rpi that you don't have to put too much risk losing to.
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