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Post by dorothymantooth on Oct 10, 2012 9:16:00 GMT -5
how are you reconciling the fact that Pablo and AVCA have Penn St at #1? how can you hold one up as the more reliable "objective standard" and rail against the other as unfair and biased ... when, at least for one team, the rating (for now) is the same. (the RPI too is in basic agreement, currently rating Penn St #2.) Good luck getting a straight answer to this question. AY has a set of immutable conclusions [east coast bias, Pac 12 dominance, aluminum foil headwear protects you from alien mind control waves] and he then "cherry picks" that which supports these conclusions. Anything that doesn't fit the predetermined conclusion is "noise." Certainly hasnt answered a direct and fair question that ive asked him.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 10, 2012 13:03:55 GMT -5
I would agree with using pablo. how are you reconciling the fact that Pablo and AVCA have Penn St at #1? how can you hold one up as the more reliable "objective standard" and rail against the other as unfair and biased ... when, at least for one team, the rating (for now) is the same. (the RPI too is in basic agreement, currently rating Penn St #2.) you say this with the assumption that the these 3 different tools cannot sometimes be in agreement. I never said they couldn't. I personally believe that PSU gets unfair treatment in the AVCA polls, but that doesn't mean that their schedule and performance in that schedule isn't top notch (which it is, and you'd never hear me say otherwise). As I have posted in one of my previous comments the AVCA poll and the RPI have 14 of the top 16 in common so they are much more a like than they are different. So if the seeds were handed out today we would be talking about a discrepancy of just TWO teams. XPLAY and I have already discussed what we feel is most fair. In the situation of the remaining two I would choose teams more in line with rpi because, despite it's input flaws, this rating system starts everyone out with an equal chance....but on the whole if the common teams between the AVCA and the RPI are 14 of 16 then I would consider that an all around victory.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 10, 2012 13:06:20 GMT -5
Good luck getting a straight answer to this question. AY has a set of immutable conclusions [east coast bias, Pac 12 dominance, aluminum foil headwear protects you from alien mind control waves] and he then "cherry picks" that which supports these conclusions. Anything that doesn't fit the predetermined conclusion is "noise." Certainly hasnt answered a direct and fair question that ive asked him. not that answering your questions is my responsibility, but I DID answer your question, if that question was about why there is a bias for PSU in the AVCA polls. volleytalk.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=46260&page=1
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Post by haw2991 on Oct 10, 2012 13:45:42 GMT -5
If seeds came out today, this is what I believe they should look like (Mixture of RPI, Pablo, and my opinion) At Texas: 1. Penn State 8. Texas 9. USC 16. San Diego At Cal: 2. Stanford 7. Louisville 10. Florida 15. Hawaii At Purdue: 3. UCLA 6. Oregon 11. Minnesota 14. Kansas At Nebraska: 4. Nebraska 5. Washington 12. Kansas State 13. BYU Just a thought! I wouldn't mind this at all.....
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Post by psumaui on Oct 10, 2012 21:19:34 GMT -5
You people want to talk about the AVCA pool go to that thread. This one is about the RPI!
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Post by houstonian on Oct 10, 2012 21:28:49 GMT -5
someone mentioned 5/6 SEC teams getting to the tnmt. last time that happened it kinda backfired didn't it?
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Post by haw2991 on Oct 10, 2012 21:39:11 GMT -5
someone mentioned 5/6 SEC teams getting to the tnmt. last time that happened it kinda backfired didn't it? Based on the "objective" and "reliable" RPI computer-system, possibly 6 maybe even 7 teams could make it into the tournament(7 teams in the SEC are ranked under the top 45). 6-7 teams from an conference that has never won an NCAA championship entering the tournamnet, makes total sense....
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Oct 11, 2012 2:22:27 GMT -5
how are you reconciling the fact that Pablo and AVCA have Penn St at #1? how can you hold one up as the more reliable "objective standard" and rail against the other as unfair and biased ... when, at least for one team, the rating (for now) is the same. (the RPI too is in basic agreement, currently rating Penn St #2.) you say this with the assumption that the these 3 different tools cannot sometimes be in agreement. I never said they couldn't. I personally believe that PSU gets unfair treatment in the AVCA polls, but that doesn't mean that their schedule and performance in that schedule isn't top notch (which it is, and you'd never hear me say otherwise). As I have posted in one of my previous comments the AVCA poll and the RPI have 14 of the top 16 in common so they are much more a like than they are different. So if the seeds were handed out today we would be talking about a discrepancy of just TWO teams. XPLAY and I have already discussed what we feel is most fair. In the situation of the remaining two I would choose teams more in line with rpi because, despite it's input flaws, this rating system starts everyone out with an equal chance....but on the whole if the common teams between the AVCA and the RPI are 14 of 16 then I would consider that an all around victory. so you can't reconcile them ... gotcha
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 11, 2012 6:25:58 GMT -5
someone mentioned 5/6 SEC teams getting to the tnmt. last time that happened it kinda backfired didn't it? Based on the "objective" and "reliable" RPI computer-system, possibly 6 maybe even 7 teams could make it into the tournament(7 teams in the SEC are ranked under the top 45). 6-7 teams from an conference that has never won an NCAA championship entering the tournamnet, makes total sense.... Why not? Who ELSE should be in there? Teams that are not as good? Why does the conference matter? Teams that are better deserve to be in the tournament. End of story. FWIW, Pablo has 6 SEC teams in the tournament right now.
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Post by jagdpanther on Oct 11, 2012 7:30:16 GMT -5
Really would rather not have to face Oregon in the Regional.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 11, 2012 7:31:18 GMT -5
The best available teams should go in to the at-large positions, regardless of conference.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 11, 2012 7:32:49 GMT -5
Really would rather not have to face Oregon in the Regional. Right now, I would put Oregon as a top-4 seed. Losing a five-setter to Stanford at Stanford isn't enough to deny that.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 11, 2012 7:42:27 GMT -5
You have to remember SEC just absorbed two tourney teams from the Big XII, so it's no shock those bids would move over to the conference. Per my other thread, I'm also not sure how the SEC is scoring so highly in Pablo this year. Must be tiny gremlins in the algorithms.
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Post by The Bofa on the Sofa on Oct 11, 2012 8:55:38 GMT -5
You have to remember SEC just absorbed two tourney teams from the Big XII, so it's no shock those bids would move over to the conference. Per my other thread, I'm also not sure how the SEC is scoring so highly in Pablo this year. Must be tiny gremlins in the algorithms. I didn't see that thread, but specifically what is your concern? I just looked at Arkansas, and they don't seem to be crazy off, for example.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 11, 2012 9:11:49 GMT -5
You have to remember SEC just absorbed two tourney teams from the Big XII, so it's no shock those bids would move over to the conference. Per my other thread, I'm also not sure how the SEC is scoring so highly in Pablo this year. Must be tiny gremlins in the algorithms. I didn't see that thread, but specifically what is your concern? I just looked at Arkansas, and they don't seem to be crazy off, for example. Arkansas at least has a good win OOC (Kansas)--the other highly ranked ones don't. Florida at 6 is pretty shocking to me, A&M's rank is as well especially if you consider the SOS of the two. Kentucky is also quite high (though as a Duck fan, I'll take it).
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